The 2019 General Election Result and Aftermath

[DarloRich]

Alastair Campbell made a rather sharp point to Lansman last night. Assuming this government goes to a full term, then by the end of it it will have been 50 years since anyone has won an election for Labour other than Tony Blair.

Blair was a Tory so it is longer still.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Assuming this government goes to a full term, then by the end of it it will have been 50 years since anyone has won an election for Labour other than Tony Blair.

I think that goes to show just how reactionary and selfish the baby boomer generation is and always has been.

I can only hope that this is the last election that the boomers have a stranglehold on.

 

[TheBigD]

The Momentum mob have captured Labour. They control the NEC and other bodies. They will ensure the next Labour leader will be one of them.

Labour will be a city centric party of protest for the foreseeable future, with little to no appeal to vast areas of the country.

A new leader is needed. One who can reconnect with and appeal to people who should be labour voters. With the way the party is and with the Corbyn cult in charge what do you think will happen?

 

[dgl]

It's the old quick blame someone else so we don't get found out trick, blaming easy targets such as immigrants and the EU because it diverts people to their view even if it completely wrong so people don't cotton on to the fact that they are the problem.
That's why BoJo used the "Get Brexit Done" because it was something he could use to try and lay the blame for all our problems at everyone else whilst hiding the fact that all of the mess we are in is down to the conservatives.
Unfortunately people lapped it up and are going to feel the pain because of it.

I think that goes to show just how reactionary and selfish the baby boomer generation is and always has been.

Yes the ones born just after the war who didn't experience real suffering. Ask most people who were alive during the war and you'll find that they are ashamed of what Britain is becoming, esp. when so many innocent people died so that we could get rid of fascism only for it to come back again.
The world works better when we all work together for the greater good, isolationism only creates divides and anger.

 

[TrafficEng]

It's the old quick blame someone else so we don't get found out trick, blaming easy targets such as immigrants and the EU because it diverts people to their view even if it completely wrong so people don't cotton on to the fact that they are the problem.
That's why BoJo used the "Get Brexit Done" because it was something he could use to try and lay the blame for all our problems at everyone else whilst hiding the fact that all of the mess we are in is down to the conservatives.
Unfortunately people lapped it up and are going to feel the pain because of it.

The irony of this comment is it does the "quick blame someone else" thing to deflect from the utter shambles the Labour Party has been under Corbyn's leadership.

Remember that the people who voted Conservative rather than Labour yesterday are the people Labour need to win back. That won't happen whilst they are treated with contempt. The party needs to cotton on to this very quickly.

 

[TheBigD]

Remember that the people who voted Conservative rather than Labour yesterday are the people Labour need to win back. That won't happen whilst they are treated with contempt. The party needs to cotton on to this very quickly.

It won't. Just like the democrats in the USA, they'll double down on identity politics, far left policies, anti jewish racism, and offer nothing of appeal to large areas of the country.

 

[DarloRich]

We have another constitutional crisis brewing. The SNP will be pushing very hard and very quickly for a second scottish independence referendum. Based upon their polling results in Scotland they have a case!

 

[TrafficEng]

They won't overturn this Tory majority in one parliament imo

You'll get no argument from me on that.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Lots of Tory cheerleading on here this morning - probably from people too young to remember the grim Thatcher years.
Hurrah !

Grim? Good lord they were fantastic years.

 

[Pakenhamtrain]

I would suggest it's more a case of the Labour Party abandoning the working class people who they were supposed to be representing.

That's exactly what I'm saying.
Labor did the same thing here in Australia.
They did it in the quest to chase the Progressive/"Green" vote which they were losing. Most of those votes are the more inner city seats. Some were Labor seats others were Liberals. With our preferential voting seats didn't change but the swings saw some previous safe seats end up on the knife edge.

You could draw a line around most of our cities. Inner suburbs saw swings towards Labor. Once you hit the outer suburbs it was swinging towards the Liberals.

 

[DarloRich]

Grim? Good lord they were fantastic years.

Is that right?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

This result shows the problem with our electoral system, in my opinion.

Seats ratio = 1 Labour: 1.76354679803 Conservative
Votes ratio = 1 Labour: 1.3431372549 Conservative

SNP being even worse

 

[ComUtoR]

Jeremy Corbyn has said he will NOT lead Labour into the next election and expects a leadership election after a period of reflection. Jo Swinson has stepped down.

@DarloRich With respect to Indyref2 I think the best comment was from a lady who was interviewed (cant remember who for) She said she was caught between voting for the SNP and staying in Europe but wanting to stay aligned to the UK. I believe that is pretty much spot on for most of Scotland. There isn't the support for Scottish independence as the people want, and need to stay aligned with the UK but they want Scottish rule; hence the continual victory for the SNP. The SNP have no real competition in Scotland. There needs to be another 'Scottish' party where people do not see it as Labour/Conservative/Lib Dem (Traditional 'English' parties.

When/If Brexit happens, it may galvanize people against the UK as Nicola Sturgeon will most likely push for Independence and then joining the EU.

 

[telstarbox]

Clearly very disappointing for Labour as @DarloRich and others predicted.

As a sincere question - does anyone think they could have done better with a different Brexit policy? I say this because the seats they were defending covered a range from Brexit Party targets (Hartlepool) to seats where 75% voted remain (Vauxhall) and I just don't see how you can please all those people at once.

 

[DarloRich]

@ComUtoR on Scottish independence I disagree. I think the mood has changed. My mum lives up in Scotland and people she knows who voted no are now pushing for yes. I think they have the numbers.

Scotland has rejected labour and conservative.

 

[DarloRich]

Clearly very disappointing for Labour as @DarloRich and others predicted.

As a sincere question - does anyone think they could have done better with a different Brexit policy? I say this because the seats they were defending covered a range from Brexit Party targets (Hartlepool) to seats where 75% voted remain (Vauxhall) and I just don't see how you can please all those people at once.

Labour had to pick a Brexit horse and ride it. Corbyn and his chums prioritised london labour seats over others.

Gareth Snell said the same in interviews last night.

 

[telstarbox]

It was more that, unlike in previous years, Labour didn’t bother campaigning in St Albans, and a huge turnout. Personally I’m very pleased to have a new MP this morning!

I think that is one of the seats where the "vote tactically" message actually cut through - similarly in Canterbury, the Lib Dem candidate stood down and Labour narrowly kept the seat.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

A reading of this thread, especially of the postings made after the Conservatives began to increase their overall majority total exponentially, has unfortunately showed contempt for the democratic process that allowed the people of Britain to cast their vote by those who wished for a totally different result in this General Election.

 

[AlterEgo]

Labour had to pick a Brexit horse and ride it. Corbyn and his chums prioritised london labour seats over others.

Gareth Snell said the same in interviews last night.

Labour managed to even lose their seat in Kensington too - the constituency where Grenfell happened. Unthinkable really.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

It appears the same thing that happened in America and Australia is happening in the UK. The working class abandoning the party that traditionally represented them.

Correct. Big cities Democrat. Working class people very strong pro Trump Republican. And the Democrats still mocking them.

 

[thejuggler]

Once realisation dawns that being a member of the EU is not the reason for most of the UK ills it will be the new Tories in traditional red areas who will be the next target of the blame game.

To overcome this the Queen's speech will have to show how these new MPs are going to be kept sweet. That probably comes from massive public investment. If this doesn't happen the new Conservatives with small majorities won't be in for longer than just over 4 years.

If the Conservatives get this right and do invest in these areas they could be in for 3-4 terms.

 

[ComUtoR]

Didn't Boris say that they wouldn't be given permission to hold another referendum ?

I would agree to disagree about any potential result. Kinda why I added the caveat that I think the Brexit would be the tipping point. Either way, She will push for it and dangle the EU carrot.

It will be interesting that's for sure.

 

[telstarbox]

I believe it's in the SNP's gift under "Section 30" but perhaps one of our north of border correspondents could clarify?

 

[GRALISTAIR]

It won't. Just like the democrats in the USA, they'll double down on identity politics, far left policies, anti jewish racism, and offer nothing of appeal to large areas of the country.

Precisely

 

[Jordan Adam]

While technically speaking the Tories could block another referendum i suspect they (if they make it to 2020) will eventually give in as there is a strong and legitimate mandate for it. The situation has changed so much that the 2014 vote is kind of obsolete. My bet would be that there could be either a vote in 2021 or 2022 post-Scottish Parliament Elections.

 

[DarloRich]

Didn't Boris say that they wouldn't be given permission to hold another referendum ?

I would agree to disagree about any potential result. Kinda why I added the caveat that I think the Brexit would be the tipping point. Either way, She will push for it and dangle the EU carrot.

It will be interesting that's for sure.

They can hold a referendum. It needs ik parliamentary approval to be binding

 

[DarloRich]

Labour managed to even lose their seat in Kensington too - the constituency where Grenfell happened. Unthinkable really.

Did they? I missed that!

 

[Ianno87]

I think that goes to show just how reactionary and selfish the baby boomer generation is and always has been.

I can only hope that this is the last election that the boomers have a stranglehold on.

Interesting thought. In 5 years time, the boomers (born 1946-55 roughly) will be between about 70 and 80 years old. That really could start to shift the voting demographic quite rapidly over a relatively short space of time.

 

[Puffing Devil]

Grim? Good lord they were fantastic years.

For the rich.

 

[Puffing Devil]

44% of the popular vote and we're heading for a Tory led Brexit and no brakes. I'm done with this for some time.