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geordie_liam

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morning everybody, my name is Liam I'm a 27 year old mechanic/M.O.T. tester from newcastle, after just over ten years of being in the trade listening to the older lads telling me to get out while I can I've decided it's time for a career change and after a long think of what I would enjoy doing I have got my mind set on becoming a train driver, I have a private driver assessment day booked at the end of the month with DB schenker then my plan of action is to hunt the internet and hound agencies for work :lol:

Last year I funded my own offshore survival course and relevant medical in an attempt to get out on the rigs but I just kept getting the same reply when applying for jobs "you have no experience sorry we can't help you", Will I get the same response applying as a train driver? Are there any other jobs I could start as then work my way up or any other courses I could do that may help?

any help and advice is more than welcome, thanks.
 
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hi and welcome to the forums, just to let you know nearly all train companies have there own hr departments, and i have never heard of anyone getting a job on trains through agencies.
you say you have been working with cars so, what about as a bridging gap trying out a RSI rolling stock inspector / fitter at a train depot first, this can lead into internal vacancies for trainee drivers which the general public do not get to hear about.

you say you are from newcastle so here are a few links to train companies near you
northern

east coast

tyne and wear metro

arriva crosss country

grand central

the other way that people go to getting to the drivers seat is

revenue>ticket office>station dispatch staff>guard>depot staff (fitters or rsi)>conductor>driver

hope that i have been of some help to you and good luck, if you have any question please post and im sure one off the friendly members will be able to answer.
 
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geordie_liam

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thanks for the info I had an interview with Northern a few months ago as a fitter but thats as far as I got, apparantly alot of ex navy/army apply there and are practically guarantee'd the job which is a bit unfair but if thats who they think are the best then so be it.

The lady at DB schenker told me to keep checking TOC and FOC websites but I have no idea what they are?
 

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thanks for the info I had an interview with Northern a few months ago as a fitter but thats as far as I got, apparantly alot of ex navy/army apply there and are practically guarantee'd the job which is a bit unfair but if thats who they think are the best then so be it.

The lady at DB schenker told me to keep checking TOC and FOC websites but I have no idea what they are?

TOC- Train operating company, FOC- Freight operating company
 

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check here. scroll down a little it is self explanitary. you see a lot of ex-millitary on the railway, the toc's like them because off there past experience, but do not give up hope just a little time and patience. foc's hardley ever take on trainee drivers your more likely to get blood out of stone.
 

geordie_liam

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ok thanks very much for the help, I thought it would be the other way round? start with freight to get experience then go on to passenger trains?
 

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no its the other way around passenger then if you want freight, but bear in mind the state of the economy at the moment freight is very volitile, we just had a few ex jarvis drivers join our depot, through being made redundent.
 

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If you want to remain in Newcastle, your only realistic prospects are Northern & maybe Transpennine. Nothing likely to be happening at EC, and Grand Central don't train off the street.

The T&W Metro doesn't qualify you to drive mainline trains, though GC have atken a few from there, and given them the necessary extra training.

If you're willing to relocate, especially to London, you'll give yourself far more options.
 

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I agree dont rely on getting a job close to home mate. I have had to take a trainee drivers job with lorol, and thats in london, currently living in Manchester area. I was an ex-guard from middlesborogh.

You have to be ready to move to get in quickly (by quickly I mean within two or three years), apply for every job links to all tocs career sites can be found here.

http://www.railwayregister.care4fre...MPANY WEBSITES, JOB PAGES, VACANCIES & DEPOTS

Last of all never give up no matter how many knock backs and be prepared for a wait.

Apart from that I dont think many drivers would leave their job through choice so I guess that gives you a clue as to what career they prefer doing.
 

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thanks for the advice guys, i knew it wouldn't be a walk in the park and unfortunatly a mortgage and girlfriend stop me from relocating but won't give up as I really want a job I actually look forward to doing :lol: will me doing the private driver assessment day make any difference to an employer?
 

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thanks for the advice guys, i knew it wouldn't be a walk in the park and unfortunatly a mortgage and girlfriend stop me from relocating but won't give up as I really want a job I actually look forward to doing :lol: will me doing the private driver assessment day make any difference to an employer?

I know people that it has helped.

If you're sticking to Newcastle, then you're seriously limiting the number of jobs that you will be able to apply for. There's simply not going to be many vacs up there.
 

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I dont mind travelling but not sure if I could go as far as selling my house and moving south as it wouldn't be fair on the girlfriend plus she has a decent job herself so I doubt very much she would leave that.

so do freight drivers get better pay or is it an easier job? I could imagine it being more interesting instead of driving from station to station to station
 

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so do freight drivers get better pay or is it an easier job? I could imagine it being more interesting instead of driving from station to station to station

The pay is generally better at FOCs then many TOCs, I don't believe the work is easier. As others have said though, going straight into freight is pretty much a non-stater, if you've got any chance of going straight into the driving grade it'll be with a TOC, probably Northern.
 

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thanks for the info I had an interview with Northern a few months ago as a fitter but thats as far as I got, apparantly alot of ex navy/army apply there and are practically guarantee'd the job which is a bit unfair but if thats who they think are the best then so be it.

The lady at DB schenker told me to keep checking TOC and FOC websites but I have no idea what they are?

You need to some serious research if you do not know what a TOC or FOC is, if you seriously want a job on the railway reseach as much as you can before applying, the working in the motor trade is a good quality for a drivers job by the way, if I was interviewing someone who in my opinion had to ask what a TOC was on a forum they would be unsuitable!
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thanks for the advice guys, i knew it wouldn't be a walk in the park and unfortunatly a mortgage and girlfriend stop me from relocating but won't give up as I really want a job I actually look forward to doing :lol: will me doing the private driver assessment day make any difference to an employer?

It makes a difference as you will go straight to interview, but, as mentioned above seeing what you have written gives me doubt that you will attain a drivers job, you will need to make decisions for yourself and this will come out in interview, if you need to ask some questions on here that you could find out yourself. I am not saying you have no chance however sit down, write down all the things you want to know and see if you can find the answewrs yourself, get used to doing this as this is a major part of trian driving , decission making is very important.
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I dont mind travelling but not sure if I could go as far as selling my house and moving south as it wouldn't be fair on the girlfriend plus she has a decent job herself so I doubt very much she would leave that.

so do freight drivers get better pay or is it an easier job? I could imagine it being more interesting instead of driving from station to station to station


An interviewer will know how much you want the job by your commitment, ok, not relocating is fine but do not apply for a job more than 1 hour from your home, freight drivers get about the same as passenger drivers as a whole, freight driving is more flexible than passenger work but very boring, sometimes you can sit there for 8 hours and not move a wheel both jobs have the same training and commitment
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thanks for the info I had an interview with Northern a few months ago as a fitter but thats as far as I got, apparantly alot of ex navy/army apply there and are practically guarantee'd the job which is a bit unfair but if thats who they think are the best then so be it.

The lady at DB schenker told me to keep checking TOC and FOC websites but I have no idea what they are?

No one is guarenteed a job, it just happens that ex forces personel have a btter presentation in interview, discipline, personal fitness, able to follow instructions, been on lengthy courses, job stability all these are green lights for an interviewer, it's not because they are ex forces as anyone else with the same qualities will have a equal chance, don't listen to hearsay as this will put you on a downer!
 
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Doing the assessment privately can go either way in my opinion. It does go some way to demonstrate your commitment to getting the job but you need to bear in mind that even if you do pass, there are no guarantees it will get you any further foward in the application process (lots of people seem to do these days) or that the company you are applying for will even recognize it.

The freight vs passenger is a funny one, becuase depending on which way you look at things both have its similarities and differences. It is true what TDK says in that on the freight you may get jobs where you dont move at all (engineering sites) though its not too common, where as on the passenger you may get a simple diagram on a branch line calling at all stations all day which can be a equally as mind numbing. Personly on the freight I would say you need to be slightly more flexible as by its nature you get a lot of short notice changes and allterations....of course thats not to say that the WTT for passenger trains always goes to plan!
 

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Liam, in regard to funding your own driver assessment, personally I'd definitely keep the cash in the bank and forget it. It's a waste of time and money at this particular stage of your career change desires.
 

geordie_liam

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ok thanks for the advice everybody, unfortunatley my assessment is tomorrow so I couldn't cancel it.
 
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