What Happened to TPE's 350403?

[37057]

See post #27

 

[BMIFlyer]

How many times a week do 185s actually cover for the Scottish services since November 18?

Currently zero diagrams for 185 units on the WCML and there haven’t been any for quite a while.

 

[37057]

Currently zero diagrams for 185 units on the WCML and there haven’t been any for quite a while.

Cheers.

So that's post #44 irrelevant then.

Shiny new trains soon anyway!

 

[BeHereNow]

If you think it’s ok that Transpennine run shorter trains than they used to, and are now releasing stock before introducing new trains, I can only assume you’ve never tried travelling on their services and don’t realise how busy they are.

 

[MDB1images]

If a 185 ends up in Glasgow on a Saturday night (but, generally, we presume, not on other nights) the implication is that there is still a diagram on either a Saturday or Sunday which uses a double 350 - otherwise, there would be no need to use a 185 on a regular basis, as described.



For details of how many 185s used to be used on the Scottish services, see post #47, above.

The Saturday/Sunday diagram has always been in as it releases a Class 350 for maintenance and maintains crew competence on Class 185's.

 

[BMIFlyer]

The Saturday/Sunday diagram has always been in as it releases a Class 350 for maintenance and maintains crew competence on Class 185's.

Yes but no longer. This is why the newest drivers in Glasgow are not being 185 trained. No need for it.

 

[37057]

If you think it’s ok that Transpennine run shorter trains than they used to, and are now releasing stock before introducing new trains, I can only assume you’ve never tried travelling on their services and don’t realise how busy they are.

It doesn't matter what I think actually and I'm not defending the TOC either. I just saw no logic in your post as Manchester/Leeds isn't the same route operated by the trains that are going off lease. Which by the way, is overdue.

Do you know if TPE had the option to retain the 350?

 

[43096]

If you think it’s ok that Transpennine run shorter trains than they used to, and are now releasing stock before introducing new trains, I can only assume you’ve never tried travelling on their services and don’t realise how busy they are.

Have you read post#58?

Maybe turn your ire on CAF for late delivery of new stock, rather than the contractual position that TPE are in with the 350s.

 

[BeHereNow]

I know. Just not a good outcome for passengers, and not the desperately needed capacity increase.

 

[jonesy3001]

350403 back out in service today;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00366/2019/07/29

should go back the other way on;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00617/2019/07/29/advanced

 

[RealTrains07]

No they haven't been refurbished. There are a few differences between /4s and /3s. An extra toilet and catering area in the /4 being the most obvious. 350/4s also have Speed set which the /3s don't have (or didn't have when new).

So they have 3 toilets?? Bit excessive
Surprised they have a catering area for a unit of that size

 

[Mathew S]

A couple of photos of the now-deliveried 350403 at Manchester Airport just now for anyone who's interested.

 

[driver9000]

So they have 3 toilets?? Bit excessive
Surprised they have a catering area for a unit of that size

It's set up for longer distance travel as best it can be. Lots of passengers travelling 3 hours or so need the extra toilet and a trolley storage/catering unit gives the host somewhere to keep additional stock.

 

[Jamesrob637]

I have checked back to July 2015 and find that the standard formations at the time were as follows.

Fridays
Edinburgh: 3 DBL350, 1 SGL350
Glasgow: 2 SGL350, 2 SGL185

Saturdays
Edinburgh: 2 DBL350, 2 SGL350
Glasgow: 3 SGL350, 1 SGL185

Sundays
Edinburgh: 3 DBL350, 1 DBL185
Glasgow: 3 SGL350, 1 SGL185

Dropping the Wigan stop in favour of Northern would have no doubt culled a few numbers, but not enough to merit the close on 50% drop in capacity (on Edinburghs), I'm sure.

Incidentally, could anyone tell me why the Manchester to Edinburgh services are so much busier than those to Glasgow? This is something I've never understood, I mean, for instance, Virgin run far more trains to Glasgow than Edinburgh.

I think we should move all of this and amalgamate my thread of 6-car workings, maybe calling it "TPE Double Unit diagrams?" Then we can focus on old and new, diesel and electric stock alike.

One of the Friday doubles used to leave MAN Airport around 07:20 as it often ran in parallel with my Crewe to Manchester commuter train local north of Slade Lane Junction. However, there was many a Friday when it was only 4-car - I'd say 3 in 10 if not 2 in 5. Not quite every other week, but not far off. Obviously I was on annual leave some Fridays and some other Fridays my train or it was late so didn't see it and couldn't be bothered to look at TPE Journey Check!

 

[jonesy3001]

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A couple of photos of the now-deliveried 350403 at Manchester Airport just now for anyone who's interested.

Not been deliveried, it's been at wolverton for repair and TPE don't see the point in putting vinyls back if it's going in a few months.

 

[Bovverboy]

350403 back out in service today;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00366/2019/07/29

should go back the other way on;

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00617/2019/07/29/advanced

So it presumably started the day as the front half of this..

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00961/2019/07/29/advanced

..and then became all of this..

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00586/2019/07/29/advanced

 

[jonesy3001]

So it presumably started the day as the front half of this..

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00961/2019/07/29/advanced

..and then became all of this..

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y00586/2019/07/29/advanced

that's the one, keeping an eye out for the return journey.

 

[James Kevill]

So it's finally back in services after it is being repaired, but it won't be revinyled back into TransPennine Express livery because they'll be transferred to London Northwestern Railway after they are being replaced by 12 Class 397 Civitys.

 

[jonesy3001]

Just gone past the leyland cam on 1S71, will be going past the farington,preston,bolton le sands and thankerton cams also if you are a subscriber to railcam UK.

 

[Mathew S]

Not been deliveried, it's been at wolverton for repair and TPE don't see the point in putting vinyls back if it's going in a few months.

Good lord and I thought I was pedantic. Okay, in that case, "here's the now back in service 350403 which has been for repairs and in the process has had it's old livery taken off and has yet to have a new one applied except of course when it comes to the replacement parts which won't have had anything applied yet and so there's was nothing to remove."

Personally, I thought 'deliveried' was a slightly more sensible way to phrase it. Next time I won't bother posting at all.

 

[DarloRich]

Much as it'll be welcome down South (that First Class!) I think TPE are utterly mad releasing 350s before the WCML EMUs are in service.

They don't have choice. I am very happy to see them come "down south" to add ot our fleet.

350401.

cheers!

 

[Crossover]

It doesn't need renumbering. But then why do the /2s start at 231 and the /3s at 368? On that basis the /4s should be 478-487!

350101-130, 350231-267 and 350368 - 377. I believe it is just something that done by LM for keeping the unit numbers all having the last 2 digits following on. Presumably the /4's didn't fall under it being a different operator

 

[RealTrains07]

Any pics of 403?

 

[swt_passenger]

Any pics of 403?

There are a couple in post #72 earlier?