EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Athelstan]

Petition to Revoke the UK’s Article 50 Notification now stands at

1,155,137

signatures after less than two days.

 

[dosxuk]

Yes but the referendum has now been passed I to law

No it hasn't. The result of the referendum has been used to guide legislation that parliament has passed. That doesn't mean the result itself is now absolute, or that parliament can't change their minds about the law they've passed.

 

[SHD]

Eurostar France SAS, a subsidiary of Eurostar International Ltd incorporated in January, has received its French railway operator license in February (the decree has been published today). Even after a no-deal Brexit on March 29, Eurostar should be able to operate on the Continent (although the situation at stations could be quite unsightly).

 

[Howardh]

Even if May's withdrawl bill passes....it's still got to get through the House of Lords.

 

[Howardh]

Petition to Revoke the UK’s Article 50 Notification now stands at

1,155,137

signatures after less than two days.

I have just been following it and it went up 2000 in 30 seconds. Just wish i was given a penny for every vote!

Just wonder how many want Brexit - but don't want to leave without a deal and would rather we stay than have no deal? Where else can they get their point across? May won't listen, government won't listen....

Just passed 1250000 as I wrote that.

 

[Howardh]

Which is worse - Theresa May or the Scotland Football team??

 

[NoMorePacers]

Which is worse - Theresa May or the Scotland Football team??

At least the Scotland Football Team doesn't have the power to completely destroy people's livelihoods.

 

[MidlandsChap]

I doubt the Scotland fans expected or wanted that result. Perhaps they should create a petition to have the result annulled.

 

[dosxuk]

I doubt the Scotland fans expected or wanted that result. Perhaps they should create a petition to have the result annulled.

Or maybe petition for a vote to leave the competition because not everything is going Scotland's way?

 

[Legolash2o]

The problem with petitions is that it's easy to fake and spam.

 

[krus_aragon]

Northern Ireland doesn't seem too interested in the issue, even though most of the trouble has been around them

I find it more interesting where the highest percentages of the electorate have signed the petition: Cambridge, Oxford East, Oxford West & Abbingdon, Bristol West, Bath, Sheffield Hallam, York Central, Norwich, Manchester Withington, Cardiff North/Central/West : these are all University constituencies.

(There's also Brighton Pavillion, Hove, and much of London and Scotland.)

Additionally, further to your point, of the eight NI constituencies where less than 0.9% have signed the petition (so far), six of them are represented by (abstentionist) Sinn Fein MPs, so one might expect them to be less likely to sign a petition in support of a Parliamentary debate.

 

[dosxuk]

Looking through the raw petition data, there's also:
2,560 signatures from Australia
10,536 from France
3,984 from the US
28 from Russia
1 from the British Antarctic Territory
and 1 from North Korea!

1,261,367 from the UK if you were wondering

 

[Legolash2o]

Looking through the raw petition data, there's also:
2,560 signatures from Australia
10,536 from France
3,984 from the US
28 from Russia
1 from the British Antarctic Territory
and 1 from North Korea!

1,261,367 from the UK if you were wondering

That's about 500,000 not even from the UK...

 

[EM2]

That's about 500,000 not even from the UK...

And? Plenty of Brits live abroad. Plenty travel abroad for work. Plenty go abroad on holiday.
I don't see how you get half-a-million from those figures.

 

[Legolash2o]

And? Plenty of Brits live abroad. Plenty travel abroad for work. Plenty go abroad on holiday.
I don't see how you get half-a-million from those figures.

When you sign the petition it asks for you post code so that should take care of those abroad on holiday and potentially those working abroad. For the living abroad, then it depends on how you look at it. Should someone who has moved from the UK really have a say? If I leave a group/membership, do I then still have a say on that that group operates? On the other hand, they most likely paid taxes at one point and/or contributed in other ways.

The current count is at 1,688,600 with 1,261,367 from the UK which means 426,233 are from outside the UK.

 

[dosxuk]

The current count is at 1,688,600 with 1,261,367 from the UK which means 426,233 are from outside the UK

It was on 1,520,000 ish when I posted the figures earlier.

It's now 1,984,360 with the same
1,261,367 from the UK - I think something's bugged out.

 

[Doppelganger]

Should someone who has moved from the UK really have a say?

Yes! What about all the Brits living in EU countries?

Arguably they'll be more affected, so why wouldn't you allow them to have a say?

 

[Struner]

Yes! What about all the Brits living in EU countries?

Arguably they'll be more affected, so why wouldn't you allow them to have a say?

Surely you mean: Other EU countries?

 

[Doppelganger]

Surely you mean: Other EU countries?

Well yes, but since the UK will shortly not be an EU country I thought it was quite obvious what was meant.

 

[Cowley]

It was on 1,520,000 ish when I posted the figures earlier.

It's now 1,984,360 with the same
1,261,367 from the UK - I think something's bugged out.

It says 2,002,344 now...

 

[JamesT]

So a vote of no confidence would only force general elections? Wouldn't there be a possibility to form a goverment of national unity?

I'm led to believe that May might have everything she needs to make the UK crash out in the 29th of March, unless there's a way to revoke article 50. I'm pretty sure someone in the EU27 will vote against the extension!
She seems to want to take the UK down with her and blame the disaster on the EU and the MPs. Her last speech doesn't give me much confidence to be honest...

It looks like there is supposed to be a method. There is a period of 14 days after a no confidence vote where you can then pass a confidence vote in a government and avert an election. But that still requires finding someone who can command the confidence of the house.

But as a new election would provide a fresh mandate, I suspect many politicians would rather go for the election than trying to reform into a new government.

 

[bramling]

Seems like both sides have lost their nerve today. May’s rhetoric completely toned down, and EU now joined in with the kicking the can down the road. Did the EU realise no deal might just actually happen?

 

[Howardh]

Seems like both sides have lost their nerve today. May’s rhetoric completely toned down, and EU now joined in with the kicking the can down the road. Did the EU realise no deal might just actually happen?

Trying to follow it - been watching the Mighty Oranje demolish Belarus in a vain attempt to get reality back into my life....- the EU have given us two dates, a shorter one if the bill fails so we can come up with a better, softer one? Night night, hup Holland.

 

[Bantamzen]

Seems like both sides have lost their nerve today. May’s rhetoric completely toned down, and EU now joined in with the kicking the can down the road. Did the EU realise no deal might just actually happen?

I think the EU have given Parliament the chance to say no to the current deal, and then debate an alternative strategy and/or start proceedings to move for a General Election. Its a very clever move by them, leaving just enough of a gap in the door to allow a major shift in policy. They probably realise that May is all but dead in the water and want to keep some kind of negotiation options open should either the Tories move to oust May, or if Parliament collapses and a GE is forced.

As much as I do not like Corbyn, I can't help but wonder if he has been to Brussels with an as yet unspoken mandate from the corridors of Westminster?

 

[ainsworth74]

should either the Tories move to oust May

Which they can't do until December as she won the confidence vote.

 

[Mvann]

Which they can't do until December as she won the confidence vote.

Ah but wasn't that vote about being leader of the Conservative party?

 

[A Challenge]

Ah but wasn't that vote about being leader of the Conservative party?

She can't be got rid as leader of the Conservative party, so the only way she can go is if some Conservative MPs cute against a motion of no confidence. They isn't likely to happen.

 

[404250]

All the fuss about no-deal and a lot of money wasted by government & private business. The PM and the EU knew neither side would allow it and offer a get out of some kind.

 

[Groningen]

So we have a third vote next week!?

 

[edwin_m]

The BBC just rated the chances of the deal getting through Parliament at the third time of asking as rather less than zero.

Given that we have to do a "pointless" euro-election to get a long enough extension to do anything else, I wonder if the elected Euro-MPs should be asked to convene as some sort of grand tribunal to identify new options, and any acceptable to Parliament would then be put to the public.