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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

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DarloRich

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The petitions committee twitter account ( who knew?) have said this is the highest rate of usage they have ever seen. Around 2000 signatures a minutes at the present rate. it has broken again!

To be fair, this petition has taken off very quickly so that government hasn't had much time to respond.

i think their rules say they should have made a formal repsonse. There wont be a debate anyway. They will say it is too similar to recent debates.
 
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TUC and CBI have written a joint letter "We cannot overstate the gravity of this crisis" - not that it will be read or understood. http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/cbi-tuc-call-on-prime-minister-to-change-brexit-approach/

Together we represent millions of workers and tens of thousands of businesses. It is on their behalf that we are writing to you to ask you to change your Brexit approach.

Our country is facing a national emergency. Decisions of recent days have caused the risk of no deal to soar. Firms and communities across the UK are not ready for this outcome. The shock to our economy would be felt by generations to come.

We ask you to take three steps to protect the jobs, rights and livelihoods of ordinary working people.

First, avoiding no deal is paramount. Businesses and employees alike need to see their Government clearly acknowledge the reckless damage no deal would cause and recommit itself to avoiding this outcome.

Second, securing an extension has become essential. 88% of CBI members and a majority in Parliament agree this is better than no deal. But at the same time an extension must genuinely allow a way forwards, and be long enough for a deal to be agreed.

Third, ‘the current deal or no deal’ must not be the only choice. A Plan B must be found - one that protects workers, the economy and an open Irish border, commands a parliamentary majority, and is negotiable with the EU. A new approach is needed to secure this – whether through indicative votes or another mechanism for compromise.

We cannot overstate the gravity of this crisis for firms and working people. We request an urgent meeting with you to discuss our concerns and hear your response.

Your sincerely,

Frances O’Grady, TUC General Secretary

Carolyn Fairbairn, CBI Director General

A general strike to protect jobs AND dividends???
 

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That's the petition just passed the (first?) Million, only 16 to go Angela:D
Assuming there are some spam signatures which can be ignored, 1 million might not do anything right now, but 1 million is a hell of a lot of voters in a general election. Remainers are STILL on the electoral register + new 18yr-olds on top. Only a fool of an MP would ignore such....however....
 

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Careful about your choice of words "extreme right wing"... They're nothing like that. Hard right, maybe, but on the basis that it applies equally to everyone.

At a the end of the day May is only interested in listening to the extremists in her own party and the DUP. There are plenty of sensible moderate Tory MPs and two moderates who quit the Tory party over Mays refusal to listen to moderates. There were several moderate Tory MPs who made passionate speeches about being ashamed to be part of the Tory party at the moment.
 

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Interesting watching the Beeb news today. Seems Mays speech last night pitting Parliament against the people could have be the most ill advised thing she could have done. Many MPs are seething and the Speaker has had to make an address to MPs to assure them that they are entitled to challenge the Government and the PM as that is what democracy is about. Unless she makes a direct apology to Parliament for her inflammatory language there cannot be any way she will survive this.
 

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Interesting watching the Beeb news today. Seems Mays speech last night pitting Parliament against the people could have be the most ill advised thing she could have done. Many MPs are seething and the Speaker has had to make an address to MPs to assure them that they are entitled to challenge the Government and the PM as that is what democracy is about. Unless she makes a direct apology to Parliament for her inflammatory language there cannot be any way she will survive this.

I wish she would just go now.
 

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I wish she would just go now.
I bet there are quite a few, make that many, who think May is mentally ill/unstable. This total and utter stubborness MUST be some kind of symptom to an illness, if someone in a workplace decides they were always right, the other workers and management might well find a way to move them aside or onwards. Even if we HAVE to have Brexit, it needs to be something the majority of the country can get behind, or at least engage with, for it ot be a success. Simply pandering to the extremists won't do - in the long run it will simply make matters worse.
 

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At this rate, on B-day and at 5 minutes to 11pm May will revoke Article 50 and resign and blame it on MP's, remainers, the European Elite - (whoever they are), anyone and anything except herself and her stupid red lines.
I'd agree she should blame the elite.

That's the elite as in:
- Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson, Eton and Oxford
- Nigel Paul Farage, Dulwich College, commodities trader
- Jacob William Rees-Mogg, Eton and Oxford
 

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The petition on the UK Parliament website is going very fast indeed. Over 1,000 people per minute are signing the petition and a moment ago it stood at 1,041,287 signatures gathered in less than two days.

The rate of people signing has been rising steadily all day.
 

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Not really sure what the excitement is, they debated the very same thing 10 days ago on the back of the last revoke article 50 petition.
Unless they reach over 17.4m genuine votes, it doesnt mean squat.
 

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TUC and CBI have written a joint letter

the what? The CBI & TUC. Joint letter? Together? We are through the looking glass her people! Why cant the politicians take note of such bipartisan-ism?

Not really sure what the excitement is, they debated the very same thing 10 days ago on the back of the last revoke article 50 petition.
Unless they reach over 17.4m genuine votes, it doesnt mean squat.

it is advisory - exactly like the referendum.
 

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Not really sure what the excitement is, they debated the very same thing 10 days ago on the back of the last revoke article 50 petition.
Unless they reach over 17.4m genuine votes, it doesnt mean squat.
It's a lot of votes in a general election. Already if people specifically voted against their pro-Brexit MP (which ever colour) many would lose their precious seats. The sensible ones would be pleading for may to take the middle ground and soften her Brexit stance. But, if they choose to ignore then everyone who wants to remain, revoke or simply water down Brexit has an "X".
 

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Another thing to remember is that under 18s are permitted to sign petitions, even though they can't vote, I believe.
 

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the what? The CBI & TUC. Joint letter? Together? We are through the looking glass her people! Why cant the politicians take note of such bipartisan-ism?



it is advisory - exactly like the referendum.
Yes but the referendum has now been passed I to law
 

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Not really sure what the excitement is, they debated the very same thing 10 days ago on the back of the last revoke article 50 petition.
Unless they reach over 17.4m genuine votes, it doesnt mean squat.

It is demonstrating the sheer strength of feeling out there *against* what Mrs May claimed last night.
 

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She has the power to dismiss the Prime Minister and ask someone else to attempt to form a government. But almost certainly would not use it, the monarchy has mostly kept out of politics.
If you want a change, it requires either Theresa to decide to resign and have a leadership contest in the Conservative party, or a vote of no confidence which brings down the government and forces new elections.

So a vote of no confidence would only force general elections? Wouldn't there be a possibility to form a goverment of national unity?

I'm led to believe that May might have everything she needs to make the UK crash out in the 29th of March, unless there's a way to revoke article 50. I'm pretty sure someone in the EU27 will vote against the extension!
She seems to want to take the UK down with her and blame the disaster on the EU and the MPs. Her last speech doesn't give me much confidence to be honest...
 

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Weight of numbers.

Petitions like this may indicate a strength of opinion but no-one in government will listen to or act on them. We'd be fools to believe otherwise.

But in this case even some of the government are not happy to tow the PM's line any more. So a groundswell of opinion could shape how and what moves Ministers make next. I don't see May surviving very long at all now.
 

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I bet there are quite a few, make that many, who think May is mentally ill/unstable. This total and utter stubborness MUST be some kind of symptom to an illness, if someone in a workplace decides they were always right, the other workers and management might well find a way to move them aside or onwards. Even if we HAVE to have Brexit, it needs to be something the majority of the country can get behind, or at least engage with, for it ot be a success. Simply pandering to the extremists won't do - in the long run it will simply make matters worse.

Maybe it is part of her master plan to get Article 50 revoked - she is a remainer at heart anyway :)
 

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Maybe it is part of her master plan to get Article 50 revoked - she is a remainer at heart anyway :)

I’m not sure she is. I think she simply made a calculation of which side she thought was most likely to win, and which side would hold her in best regard for a future leadership attempt. Hold head low, be seen to support Cameron, be on the likely winning side, not be part of any toxic infighting or backbiting, and quietly take the leadership by being “none of the above”. She had of course been around long enough to see how much of a problem issue Europe can be, and was probably smart enough to realise nailing colours too firmly to the mast was not a good idea.

Like Corbyn, her true personal feelings on the subject are perhaps shrouded in mystery.
 

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What is happening with this country? Anna Soubry has been told by senior police officer there is a genuine threat to her safety if she goes home. I simply cannot believe that in our supposedly civilised society an elected member of Parliament has genuine concerns for their safety. Brexit has brought out the very worst of this country.
 
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