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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...
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Of course not. Northern Ireland has buyable votes for May, so she's talking to them again. Scotland doesn't, so the English government doesn't give a damn for what Scotland thinks.
Howardh
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That'll be the quaint hamlet of Bolton in Yorkshire. In Big Bolton they'be built a new interchange so we can get out quicker.
Could be worse - I ended up in Wigan Town centre yesterday <shudders>
More project fear.
I cant stand body shop or lush - gives me an instant headache just walking past with it - stinks
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/14/body-shop-announces-jobs-to-go-to-germany-in-wake-of-brexit-8898082/
I cant stand body shop or lush - gives me an instant headache just walking past with it - stinks
bramling
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More project fear.
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/14/body-shop-announces-jobs-to-go-to-germany-in-wake-of-brexit-8898082/
I cant stand body shop or lush - gives me an instant headache just walking past with it - stinks
Seriously, I thought Body Shop had already gone under. Another throwback to the 1980s.
You are wrong about that -however nice empathy for those who are loosing their jobs due to Brexit. Well done you.
bramling
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I will have to pay a visit to one, if only to make myself feel young again! Bit like going into certain branches of Debenhams.
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Claire's?
Must admit those types of shops aren't necessarily on my radar. However don't they occupy slots in large stations, so if not replaced a loss to rail revenue? On saying that, no idea who "owns" stations like Piccadilly etc and would kop the profits/losses?
France are doing a "what if" there is a no deal at the moment...
Seems to be all over france at the moment to show what the consequences of brexit will be - funny how this was never mentioned at the vote .... oh wait.... it was and dismissed as project fear.
https://twitter.com/donnyc1975/status/1106508786439802880
https://twitter.com/CeeckhoutKiki/status/1106526146018070528
Seems to be all over france at the moment to show what the consequences of brexit will be - funny how this was never mentioned at the vote .... oh wait.... it was and dismissed as project fear.
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The point being incorrectly made is that this is what Brexit will look like.
This is industrial action by a French trades union, nothing new there!
Thats not what they are saying - the quotes by the people there are saying its to show what brexit will be like - that's what's being told to my friends and over twitter by the people there - so unless you have some official source I call BS on your reply.
Isn't it a bit of both - yes, it's all about showing what it's going to be like post-Brexit, but it's also being done by the trade unions rather than by official decree because they want more money and less hours to process the extra work Brexit will cause.
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Call BS all you want. It cannot be Brexit because we haven't left yet. It is simply French intransigence which occurs at regular intervals.
On another forum someone mentioned rotting vegetables in trucks. These are French veg in French trucks. How long before French farmers get involved as their sales plummet?
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Either way, it will be something totally out of the UK's control, regardless of industrial action - which, of course, France are Olympic standard at - if the EU decides to make thorough checks on us then that's what we are in for.
After all, it's what we wanted, the EU to be more stringent on non-EU's entering. It's what we voted for.
However one way round this would be for the EU and UK to negotiate us being allowed to use the EU lanes, just like Norway and Switzerland. Should be a piece of....no, hold on, it's the UK doing the negotiating.
Darned, foiled again.
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FWIW, the French expression that corresponds to the English “working to rule” is grève du zèle or zealous strike.
Obviously it is a representation of what post-Brexit situation will be like, as the U.K.-France (and U.K.-ROI) borders will become external EU borders involving thorough customs checks.
Obviously it is a representation of what post-Brexit situation will be like, as the U.K.-France (and U.K.-ROI) borders will become external EU borders involving thorough customs checks.
Well, this picture tells a thousand words:
and no, it's not a stitch-up, - it's proudly posted on Rees-Mogg's Twitter pages - see here: https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1105232548932845568
There next to the double-breasted right winger is Candace Owens, who is she? See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens quite a pernicious character!
strange company for a supposedly respectable UK MP driving us to leave the EU for our benefit, - a black woman who said something quite extraordinary for a black person in the land of the free (sic). I won't quote it as I'll get Godwin's Law thrown at me but the whole thing is there on the link.
Well, this picture tells a thousand words:
and no, it's not a stitch-up, - it's proudly posted on Rees-Mogg's Twitter pages - see here: https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1105232548932845568
There next to the double-breasted right winger is Candace Owens, who is she? See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens quite a pernicious character!
strange company for a supposedly respectable UK MP driving us to leave the EU for our benefit, - a black woman who said something quite extraordinary for a black person in the land of the free (sic). I won't quote it as I'll get Godwin's Law thrown at me but the whole thing is there on the link.
I think you're cherry-picking somewhat, she is a long way short of Godwin's law... most of the time. I find it hard that anybody would commit violence after reading/viewing Turning Point material... unless they were either insane or scraping the barrel for excuses for their vile deeds.
Being from Bolton originally, and going back there now, is the reason I can empathise with the mentality behind the Leave vote, as the UK economy in its present form is clearly not working very well for Bolton. Although, as always, the EU has been scapegoated for the real root causes, and should be seen as a 'cry for help' from the electorate, who otherwise basically have no voice.
That's why you can't just ignore* the Leave vote - the voiceless felt heard for the first time in years.
Always funny how during elections, prospective PMs can't get to Bolton often enough to campaign (having key marginal contituencies, including my 'home' Bolton West). But then, when elected, nothing...
*Although we seem to be rapidly reaching the logical conclusion that withdrawing Article 50 is now the last remaining defauly outcome...given virtualyly everything else has been voted against.
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This doesn't explain the result in a town like Stevenage though, which voted nearly 60% leave. Whilst by no means the nicest place in Britain, its citizens are hardly "crying for help"!
I'd say it's worth putting a few quid on May's deal getting through now. All depends on the DUP of course.
The 'electorate having no vote' is just a function of a FPTP voting system wherever you live, unless one is lucky enough to be registered in a bellwether constituency. What those in the so called 'left behind' areas should recognise is that there's no evidence that anything will change that if the UK leaves the EU. Why should the Conservative party, most of whom live in the more comfortable areas of the country, change their ways? Arguably, the areas that feel neglected could be worse off, - not only because many of the jobs that rely on international investment will disappear as has recently become apparent, but also EU funding for local development will no longer be available and the 'brexit bonus' that was promised has already been swallowed up by the devaluation of the pound since the referendum, and that's before the current deadline!
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It looks like she's bought off the DUP, so it all boils down to the ERG deciding something they hate with added venom is now, without the slightest change, the best thing ever and it will take us through the next generation.
Is it any wonder us remainers think you guys have all been conned, left, far right and centre?
bramling
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Do we know for sure that money has actually been offered to the DUP?
In all honesty I’d be surprised if the DUP could be easily bought off if their objections are ideological (in other words if they think it potentially compromises the future of NI in the U.K.).
The ERG position will presumably be let’s take this opportunity to get out, then someone else can harden things up in the fullness of time. Once out it’s inconceivable that we could rejoin. Few would want to join the single currency for a start.
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Even if the DUP and most of the ERG get on board there are likely to be some Leaver holdouts, plus Tory Remainers including the three who joined TIG. Enough Labour MPs would have to support the deal to outweigh these - unlikely in my opinion.
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And another area that's almost 90% UK-born.
bramling
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Relevance?
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Another area that doesn't have particularly high immigration that voted to Leave.
bramling
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So perhaps the leave vote was motivated by others things? Or perhaps Stevenage is negatively affected by population growth and displacement of people from other nearby areas which *do* have high rates of immigration, i.e. London?
Having said that, if it's being suggested that the leave vote was motivated either by poverty (a "cry for help") or dislike of foreigners, doesn't Stevenage seem to fly in the face of this?
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The only way to know is to ask them. If different areas voted for different reasons and let's suppose Brexit solves one of them - then all the other areas that had different priorities will have, at best, no effect and at worst plenty (job losses, withdrawl of EU grants, more immigration, possibly higher prices etc). So the net result will be what a waste of time and money when we could be solving ALL the areas different problems ourselves.
Just look at my manor, a dying town centre, a hospital way out of town that can barely cope, schools short of money, pressure on the care system. How Brexit will solve any of those..answers on a postcard. Meanwhile, in the last three years, a bit of government investment would have helped immeasurably.
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