Charlie Smythe
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Class 37's do look good in ROG livery.
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Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)
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Class 37's do look good in ROG livery.
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I guessed that they must - just seems real life situations don't always reflect regulations. I know mark IIIs have generally had a loco or power car to help provide some protection in serious accidents so maybe that's giving a skewed idea as to crash worthiness? Still welded aluminium units don't seem to perform too well in accidents (guessing these are welded aluminium)?
87015
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And VW complied with emission regulations...
cactustwirly
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So? That's irrelevant!
I don't see why the forum is against Stadler trains, they are of a high quality, and are excellently designed.
There isn't a great conspiracy to flout regulations, that isn't what Stadler does!
MisterT
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The FLIRT 3 has a good crash construction. I would be more concerned if GA had ordered GTWs or the older FLIRT. In those trains, there is almost no protection for the driver, whereas with the FLIRT 3, the cab is inside and behind the crash construction to prevent the cab from being greatly deformed.
Which doesn't mean that the cab provide enough security for a high speed head on collision with another train.
Which doesn't mean that the cab provide enough security for a high speed head on collision with another train.
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Thanks for clarification, generally it was the older FLIRTs that I'd seen involved in accidents so obviously Stadler have improved the design since then. Nothing against the company just an observation from continental accidents that had involved Stadler trains (seemed unfortunate that many recent accidents had involved Stadlers as opposed to other types).
MisterT
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Visual differences:
FLIRT 3:
GTW:
FLIRT 3:
GTW:
ac6000cw
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Same here - saw the ROG 37800 waiting to depart for Leicester, but no sign of the 755 (had a good look around from both the cycle bridge and Mill Road bridge).
squizzler
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Presumably the accidents you refer to have involved train on train accidents. In the East Anglian area the real risk must be level crossing accidents which is less deadly - for the train occupants at least.
Rail safety is such that I don't think a ride in these units could be described as "taking a chance" in any shape or form. Not FLIRTing with danger
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Well if nothing else, today was the day I learned of the word 'crashwand' 
samuelmorris
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It translates from german or Dutch to 'crash wall'.Well if nothing else, today was the day I learned of the word 'crashwand'
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I'm gonna stick with crashwand
There's a fair chance we passed each other! Given the loco was on the south end on arrival, and by the time I saw it it had white lights on the north end of the loco with electric units on either side, the only explanation is that the 755 had shunted, under its own power, to the shed.
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The crash regs in the UK are more stringent than in Europe I seem to recall someone mentioning.
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With the Class 37 I would have thought it should be. However RTT seems to suggest it didn't lose time against the schedule.
dk1
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Very surprising especially as there's also a 40mph ESR just after Mile End too.
sort of lost time, was 15 early departing CP, but only 8 early at Cambridge, it was allowed about 5 mins longer than an EMT service Thetford - Ely. and 64 mins over 49 mins (EMT) for Norwich to Ely.
Bletchleyite
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They are, and the UK FLIRT has probably been modified accordingly. FWIW the smaller cross-section of UK stock will also make it stronger than the much larger tube of Continental low floor and particularly double-decker stock - try it with a paper tube.
Roger Ford's monthly email available online at http://live.ezezine.com/ezine/archives/759/759-2019.01.21.04.02.archive.txt
says the Stadlers are late
"And now, Stadler is the new Hitachi, with high expectations for an immaculate entry into service with Greater Anglia.
But even Swiss precision cannot avoid delivery slippage with a new design. Originally due for completion by December 2019, the latest forecast is ‘by the end of Quarter 1 2020’." Doesnt make clear whether this is the bi-modes or the EMUs.
For reference the lease termination dates for DMUs are:
5x153 - 31 Aug 2019
9x2car156 - 30 Dec 2019
4x2car170 - 1 Oct 2019
8x3car170 - 1 Oct 2019
Presumably GA will be focussed on getting rid of Mk3s by the PRM deadline, and so will use any Stadler EMUs they have in service 1 Jan 2020 to replace the Mk3s and keep 379s on Stansted Express into 2020 - lease on 379s runs to 1 Aug 2020.
But who knows what will replace all the nonPRM 321s and 317s, that is for another thread
says the Stadlers are late
"And now, Stadler is the new Hitachi, with high expectations for an immaculate entry into service with Greater Anglia.
But even Swiss precision cannot avoid delivery slippage with a new design. Originally due for completion by December 2019, the latest forecast is ‘by the end of Quarter 1 2020’." Doesnt make clear whether this is the bi-modes or the EMUs.
For reference the lease termination dates for DMUs are:
5x153 - 31 Aug 2019
9x2car156 - 30 Dec 2019
4x2car170 - 1 Oct 2019
8x3car170 - 1 Oct 2019
Presumably GA will be focussed on getting rid of Mk3s by the PRM deadline, and so will use any Stadler EMUs they have in service 1 Jan 2020 to replace the Mk3s and keep 379s on Stansted Express into 2020 - lease on 379s runs to 1 Aug 2020.
But who knows what will replace all the nonPRM 321s and 317s, that is for another thread
Charlie Smythe
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All the GA 170s move to Transport for Wales before end of the year, not sure about 153s and 156s, but dont think they have known destination. In case of 153s they are not PRM compliant so not surprising they are not spoken for, 156s are compliant I think in which case good chance lease with GA will be extended to cover for their general PRM compliant stock crunch.
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samuelmorris
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Not surprising, I think the current estimate is May which seems about right, further issues notwithstanding, versus an original expectation of Jan/Feb for the first unit back when the order was first announced. That email doesn't concern me much, at least not yet.
cactustwirly
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That's probably the Aventras though!
samuelmorris
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Yeah the Aventras definitely won't be fully introduced until 2021, quite possibly early 2022. That's not surprising, and doesn't necessarily suggest a problem with the Stadler fleet.
F Great Eastern
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Currently just over 2 months delay according to my contact.
fat_boy_pete
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More testing out and about now
https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/abo...-new-trains-test-in-norfolk-suffolk-and-essex
https://www.greateranglia.co.uk/abo...-new-trains-test-in-norfolk-suffolk-and-essex
themiller
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Some interesting photos can be seen at https://bahnbilder.ch/picture/31641 of a 745 (102) in the land of its birth. Click on the photo in the link to start then click on the arrow at the top right to view them all. There are a handful showing it being hauled by a SBB Re460.
samuelmorris
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Nice photos. I look forward to seeing them down here.
Has anyone found the powered/unpowered bogie layout for these units? With the 755s it's pretty straightforward, traction motors at each end, power unit in the middle, all articulated bogies unpowered, but with the 745 there are far more unarticulated bogies than would need to be powered (especially with enormous 650kW traction motors), but I can't see any obvious indication from those pictures which ones are.
Has anyone found the powered/unpowered bogie layout for these units? With the 755s it's pretty straightforward, traction motors at each end, power unit in the middle, all articulated bogies unpowered, but with the 745 there are far more unarticulated bogies than would need to be powered (especially with enormous 650kW traction motors), but I can't see any obvious indication from those pictures which ones are.
Bletchleyite
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British stock does look like a toy train, doesn't it? Or a Swiss narrow gauge unit, which I guess it probably pretty much is.