I was always lead to believe that the only way to make the numbers add up for Anglia was to attach it to the GE area. I’m going to be interested as to where this additional Norwich is coming from. It’s already nearly 90 mins to Ipswich on the XX.02 off Liv St and there is probably only 5 mins padding in that with the calls it makes. So you either reduce the service to the GE stations which have high current usage or have a circa two and a half hour trip to Norwich.
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I was always lead to believe that the only way to make the numbers add up for Anglia was to attach it to the GE area. I’m going to be interested as to where this additional Norwich is coming from. It’s already nearly 90 mins to Ipswich on the XX.02 off Liv St and there is probably only 5 mins padding in that with the calls it makes. So you either reduce the service to the GE stations which have high current usage or have a circa two and a half hour trip to Norwich.
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class387
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Probably because it is easier just to order an existing design that works (the Velaro), rather than commission a new design that is articulated.
Articulated bogies provide better ride quality, require less maintenance and are apparently safer in an accident.
Charlie Smythe
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What makes them safer in an accident?
class387
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Not an expert on this, but I think it is because they are more likely to stay upright and the train not to split if it derails.
AlexNL
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The articulated design makes it less likely for a train to jackknife in the case of a derailment. There have been some TGV derailments at very high speeds without leading to any casualties (not taking into account the Eckwersheim derailment, which involved a bend).
simple simon
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Ilford, Romford... would be great! Even better on a Flirt train
I am hoping to be able to visit the North Norfolk Railway's story of suburban travel event in July. I went last year but did not get to ride the BR suburban coaches. I am hoping that the Flirt trains will be in the Sheringham route by then. I'm also looking at returning to the East Anglia Railway Museum which is on another Anglia branch line that I expect will be served by the Flirt's.
Owen
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When are these trains coming into passenger service on the regional lines? What about the well due Stansted service to Norwich?
It’s about time that starts.
It’s about time that starts.
samuelmorris
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Current plan is May for the 755s. Not sure about the Stansted to Norwich service.
dk1
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December if not May 2020 for the Stansted extension.
Owen
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Is this going to be frequent across the whole Network?
samuelmorris
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Not sure what you mean by that. The first units will be due in May, the rest should follow between then and the end of the year, so it may be December 2019/January 2020 before you see them on all rural routes.
Owen
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Well is it just going to be one train or a whole host of trains at once?
samuelmorris
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They won't introduce them all at the same time, one or two will probably be introduced first, that's how new fleet introductions pretty much always work. How quickly the others follow depends on any issues that may crop up with particular routes or how quickly individual units complete their fault-free miles acceptance tests.
That would be the cheap way of doing it.
May as well just foot the cost now and get them all to a standard height.
So you don't think shared bogies looks okay (despite it harking back to the Class 370!), but you think a little engine unit in the middle of the train looks good?
Yeah, okay!
It'll be interesting to see the comparison in driving/comfort/popularity/reliability between the Bombardier units and Stadler units.
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I like the centre powercar and don’t like the bogies? What your problem with? The centre powercar should make a good noise as it passes.
Wivenswold
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The GA plan for introduction is deliberately vague. While I think they should own up to the Aventra delay, I think it right that we don't get hung-up on the exact timings for the introduction of The Stadlers. As we know oh so very well, introducing new hardware on the railways can be an unpredictable job.
samuelmorris
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Absolutely, I'm under no expectations that they'll be in operation in May as predicted. I will be genuinely surprised if they do as that would make them just about the only fleet in the country not to have been delayed between UK arrival and service entry. Have Anglia got any publicity out regarding the 720s specifically? My understanding is that they're simply labelling May as 'our new trains' and not specifying which is which, probably a good idea.
Wivenswold
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It'll be a bit of an embarrassment if the new kids on the block (for the UK anyway) get their units into service on schedule with the minimum of fuss. It won't be a surprise though, this is a huge marketing exercise for them, the industry is watching.
Yes, I noticed that announcements had been morphed into "New Trains" with photos of Flirts. There's been absolutely no word on the 720s, I will update the relevant thread with an appeal for information, maybe a reward for any information that leads to a photograph of one in the wild.
Yes, I noticed that announcements had been morphed into "New Trains" with photos of Flirts. There's been absolutely no word on the 720s, I will update the relevant thread with an appeal for information, maybe a reward for any information that leads to a photograph of one in the wild.
samuelmorris
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There have been photos of one in the wild, but I haven't seen any footage of it on the test track at Derby yet. I think Anglia are rightly aware that the 710 delay means 720s are not forthcoming any time soon so are focusing on the trains that are actually visible out testing on the network and have a good chance of actually being in service this year.
755, is out and about tonight 2330 ex Norwich to Yarmouth, stopping at Brundall, Lingwood and Acle to test the ASDO. 2 trips each way planned.
also doing an egress switch/handle (?) test between Acle and Yarmouth on one trip.
Booked to depart Yarmouth at 0030 and 0419
departing Norwich at 2330 and 0233.
also doing an egress switch/handle (?) test between Acle and Yarmouth on one trip.
Booked to depart Yarmouth at 0030 and 0419
departing Norwich at 2330 and 0233.
Bletchleyite
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It's certainly a good-looking unit
It is, though I must admit having only half the bogies as Jacobs bogies means it doesn't look quite as good as it would if they all were. Still a welcome change from the rather conservative approach taken by other manufacturers and very European.
I also like the way the livery follows the shape of the unit.
A third of the bogies, not half, are Jacobs.
Bletchleyite
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Fair point, I more meant that "there are Jacobs bogies only at roughly half the vehicle ends" or somesuch
sprinterguy
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Yes, it's only after seeing that photo that I noticed that the vehicles are articulated twins, with each vehicle carried on three axles rather than two. I wonder whether this is to appease Network Rail by keeping axle weights down, as they've reputedly not been keen on articulated formations in the past?
These sets are certainly a striking departure from typical conservative British styling and do look very continental, especially when you compare the bi-mode regional sets to the Sprinter units they'll be replacing. They're also the only UK stock that has, in my opinion, managed to make a white based livery look good! The livery really suits them.
Bletchleyite
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The FLIRTs were originally designed for SBB who have a livery based on red and white, so it's not surprising to see another such livery really suit them
Charlie Smythe
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Would Network Rail have an issue with articulated bogies seeing as the train has less axles therefor increasing axle weight?
samuelmorris
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Ordinarily speaking, yes, hence why they aren't commonly used in the UK. Splitting the unit into six coupled sections, however, plus the lighter weight of modern designs, evidently means they can get away with it. That said, there were suggestions that the 755s would be given a lower speed limit on certain sections of track in rural areas due to the higher axle weight. I don't recall if that's going ahead.