EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[birchesgreen]

They appear to have copied and pasted their terms and conditions from a takeaway website

https://seabornefreight.com/terms

Placing an order
Seaborne Freight (UK) Limited will make its best efforts to deal with third parties that are reputable, reliable and provide quality products and services. However Seaborne Freight (UK) Limited does not accept responsibility or liability for the quality or quantity of any goods served, delivered by or collected from any third parties. It is the responsibility of the customer to thoroughly check the supplied goods before agreeing to pay for any meal/order.

 

[Darandio]

Which in turn comes from here.

https://wyeagricolaclub.org.uk/legal/terms

Placing an order
[Business Name] will make its best efforts to deal with third parties that are reputable, reliable and provide quality products and services. However [Business Name] does not accept responsibility or liability for the quality or quantity of any goods served, delivered by or collected from any third parties. It is the responsibility of the customer to thoroughly check the supplied goods before agreeing to pay for any meal/order.

 

[birchesgreen]

Well at least they put the right name in, our tax money well spent

 

[nlogax]

Which in turn comes from here.

https://wyeagricolaclub.org.uk/legal/terms

Google highlights at least 10 different UK companies using that wording. Copy'n'paste-tastic.

 

[Darandio]

Google highlights at least 10 different UK companies using that wording. Copy'n'paste-tastic.

Indeed, but many of the ones I saw did actually put their name throughout like Seaborne. The one I linked to was from the template, they hadn't even added their name.

 

[nlogax]

Indeed, but many of the ones I saw did actually put their name throughout like Seaborne. The one I linked to was from the template, they hadn't even added their name.

It's incredibly lazy, almost gloriously so. Setting up companies where the publicly-facing legal wording is merely an afterthought. I still don't think there's fire but there is an awful lot of smoke.

 

[birchesgreen]

Oh they've updated the T&Cs now, no more meal home deliveries from Seaborne Freight.

But y'all should try to login on their website

https://seabornefreight.com/timetable

 

[A Challenge]

Oh they've updated the T&Cs now, no more meal home deliveries from Seaborne Freight.

But y'all should try to login on their website

https://seabornefreight.com/timetable

The bad thing is that it isn't even a redirect, the link address is http://google.co.uk/

 

[sprunt]

Apparently they have no trading history and no ships.

Not to suggest that anything about this enterprise isn't a complete shambles* but do ferry operators normally own the ships themselves or are they leased? When the story hit the news, it did seem a bit like a shock-horror story about how TOCs don't own any trains.

*I mean, even if leasing is the norm, three months doesn't seem a long time to sort out a lease for some ships.

 

[EM2]

Deleted - moved to thread referred in next post.

 

[ainsworth74]

It's a little tucked away but there is an extensive discussion on the latest farce relating to that "ferry" company that can be found here. Please can we keep further comments relating to this latest in the ongoing demonstration of strong and stable leadership to that thread.

Thanks,
ainsworth74

 

[HH]

Before we say goodbye, let me have a Parthian shot with a suggested name change for the company: Paddlecreek Freight Ltd ("Don't have one, us, and up one, you will be" for their almost yoda-like strapline).

 

[Jonny]

Meanwhile on independent.ie (not to be mistaken for a similar UK news source).

https://www.independent.ie/business...to-be-sought-for-brexit-fallout-37676966.html
Emergency EU aid to be sought for Brexit fallout
'No-deal' UK withdrawal would lead to massive losses for farmers
The Government will seek hundreds of millions of euro in special aid from Brussels if the UK crashes out of the EU without a deal.
Dublin has already alerted the EU Commission that it will be lobbying for emergency aid to cope with the fallout to Irish trade, particularly for the beef, dairy and fishing sectors.
With Westminster deadlocked, fears are growing that Britain will exit the EU in just 12 weeks’ time without a deal.
However, it also comes at a time when Ireland is under increasing pressure from key EU member states, such as France and Germany, to increase taxes on multinational high-tech companies in Ireland.
Agriculture Minister Michael Creed has told the Irish Independent that if, and when, a hard Brexit becomes a reality, Ireland will be making a case for major grant aid.
“You’re looking at hundreds of millions here. Between the beef industry and the fishing industry we’re talking mega-money,” he said.
The move for special aid would reverse a trend in which Ireland was a net contributor to EU coffers after decades of lavish farm, regional and social fund grants worth tens of billions.
The Agriculture Minister said he would make Irish aid a key agenda item when EU agriculture ministers meet in Luxembourg in early April, just after the Brexit deadline of March 29 next.
(article continues)

It seems that some in Ireland, and Mr Varadkar in particular, are very concerned about the fall-out from a no-deal Brexit. Which is the basis of it will hurt them more and for longer than it hurts us. Some parts are more vulnerable than others, particularly the Republic of Ireland. The EU are determined to cut their own nose off to spite Britain.

In fact, the EU's willingness to sacrifice Ireland shows why Britain is better off out. Right out.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

It seems that some in Ireland, and Mr Varadkar in particular, are very concerned about the fall-out from a no-deal Brexit. Which is the basis of it will hurt them more and for longer than it hurts us. Some parts are more vulnerable than others, particularly the Republic of Ireland. The EU are determined to cut their own nose off to spite Britain.

In fact, the EU's willingness to sacrifice Ireland shows why Britain is better off out. Right out.

That seems a pretty odd way of interpreting it, and it certainly doesn't seem to be how the Irish Government sees it - judging from the reports that the Irish Government is firmly saying that it's a problem created in Britain.

In the end, we decided to leave the EU. There was no obligation on the EU to provide a special deal for us, but we expected it and they were willing to negotiate one, because there obviously are benefits on both sides, and the EU actually does try pretty hard to be a good citizen. It's really not the ogre you make out. Anyway, we spent 18 months negotiating a deal with them, and then at the end of that, the UK Government went away, discovered their deal was less popular than they expected back home, and instantly returned to the EU with a "you know that deal we just spent 18 months negotiating that we finalised last month. Well we want to renegotiate it now". Maybe if you sit and think about it without filtering everything through an 'Everything the EU does must by definition be evil' lens, you might start to appreciate how unreasonable the UK Government's actions must look to virtually everyone outside the UK.

And by the way, if you still think the EU is unreasonable, try this: Next time you want to resign from any society or organisation that you're a member of: Try approaching them and saying, "I'm going to resign my membership. What kind of special deal are you going to give me after I've left that will make me more important than everyone else who isn't a member of your society" .... see how far you get!

 

[nidave]

Being reported in the times that may is going to have two possibly three attempts to get her deal through parliament.

When I raised the hyprocry of this here when the general population can't have a chance to either confirm leave or change their minds I was ridiculed and I was talking nonsense. One rule for Westminster and one for the public as usual

10. Senior Tories are very worried about the @ProfTimBale Tory membership polling


This says a lot about what the Tories want:

63% of TORY MEMBERS say they would be delighted/pleased/relieved by no deal

18% of ALL VOTERS say the same

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1081096781658759168?s=19

 

[PHILIPE]

To summarise Brexit. Mrs May has made a cats ear of it and is trying to negotiate Brexit with a Remainers hat on. The negotiations should have been conducted by an independent cross party body. A referendum was held in 2016 and the result was leave and should have been respected by all instead of comments like "but it wasn't by much etc.," That is the way the voting system in this country works so get over it. Then we have staunch Remainers such as Clarke, Adonis and Clegg sloping off to Brussels underhandedly to talk to the EU negotiators seemingly with a persuasive agenda. Although Mrs May has made such a mess of the negotiations, she has been obstructed all along the way by the same people, including members of her own party, who are criticising her. At the Labour Party conference we have the membership turning it into a political party issue and proposing, more or less, to oppose Brexit. Next, a Peoples vote, the reason behind this being solely to stop Brexit against the will of the majority. If a peoples vote was to be conceded then, if it went the opposite way, should there be another one and take the best of three ?

 

[nidave]

If there was another referendum do you think remain or leave would win. Perhaps a confirmation vote is a good idea. That way there is more certainty over what the people want.

 

[nidave]

Lot of chatter in Westminster, where I am but without Parliament being allowed to sit, that Mrs May may pull her vote a second time before Jan 15. This gets into serious constitutional crisis territory

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1080900010584231937?s=19
So much for parlementary sovereignty. Turning into a dictatorship.

 

[AM9]

To summarise Brexit. Mrs May has made a cats ear of it and is trying to negotiate Brexit with a Remainers hat on. The negotiations should have been conducted by an independent cross party body.

Leavers in the Conservative party had a leaders election according to party rules. There were five contenders and they were voted down to two. Leadsom (a leaver) stood down leaving May as an unelected leader. That process was entirely under the control of the Conservatives who were mostly leavers. It would seem though that they were so busy stabbing each other in the back that they were too frightened to take on the job of explaining all the lies that they had put out during the campaign.

A referendum was held in 2016 and the result was leave and should have been respected by all instead of comments like "but it wasn't by much etc.," That is the way the voting system in this country works so get over it.

That is a consequence of allowing a status quo option versus a radical change without a qualifying majority requirement. It will continue to damage relationships for a long time. So get over it.

Then we have staunch Remainers such as Clarke, Adonis and Clegg sloping off to Brussels underhandedly to talk to the EU negotiators seemingly with a persuasive agenda. Although Mrs May has made such a mess of the negotiations, she has been obstructed all along the way by the same people, including members of her own party, who are criticising her.

Another consequence of the majority situation as mentioned above. However we've had the hardliners anti-EU conservatives doing all they can to undermine our membership since the 1976 referendum didn't go as they would have liked it.

At the Labour Party conference we have the membership turning it into a political party issue and proposing, more or less, to oppose Brexit.

That's because they have the democratic right to do so. What's the problem, - you don't have to vote for them at the next election.

Next, a Peoples vote, the reason behind this being solely to stop Brexit against the will of the majority. If a peoples vote was to be conceded then, if it went the opposite way, should there be another one and take the best of three ?

Maybe but only really justifiable if the question was exactly the same and the information to support the options was as bad as in 2016.

 

[HH]

AFAIK the way voting in this country works is that we get a say in who the government is every 5 years, unless some overconfident PM decides to make it earlier. The Scottish Nationalists have quite plainly stated that they will seek another referendum on independence. The odious Farage always said that if the vote was close, but against Brexit, he would be pushing for another Referendum.

Therefore, where does this belief come from that everyone who thinks Brexit is a disastrous mistake should just lay back and think of England?

 

[furnessvale]

Therefore, where does this belief come from that everyone who thinks Brexit is a disastrous mistake should just lay back and think of England?

Equally, remainers cannot expect Brexiters, who won the vote, to sit back and allow its overturn before it has even been inplemented.

 

[nidave]

Equally, remainers cannot expect Brexiters, who won the vote, to sit back and allow its overturn before it has even been inplemented.

Two questions.
1. How long does it have to be implemented for before we can decide to change our minds.
2. If your so sure of brexit why not allow a confirmation vote to confirm its still the "will of the people" are you worried that too many have changed views on it now we have more details?

 

[AM9]

Equally, remainers cannot expect Brexiters, who won the vote, to sit back and allow its overturn before it has even been inplemented.

It might not be theirs to 'not allow'. The referendum was just a vote to see whether there was a majority for leaving or remaining, nothing more. The entire electorate is now back with a status of 'eligible voters'. No part of the electorate has any higher status than any other.

 

[sprunt]

The odious Farage always said that if the vote was close, but against Brexit, he would be pushing for another Referendum.

His exact words: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way."

Second chance for thee but not for me, Nigel?

 

[nidave]

More no deal preperations underway

Meanwhile the first stages of “Operation Fennel” which we reported last month are now taking place - @TomBoadle has obtained this DfT letter about live testing Manston Airport Monday as another lorry park, in addition to 13 miles of M20 AND the M26 for No Deal Brexit disruption https://t.co/9FcS46vEPo

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1081171377934209024?s=19

 

[mmh]

More Fake News. I posted about this months ago - Operation Fennel is a long-planned revamp of the well-known and long-standing "Operation Stack" and has been in the making since long before the referendum ballot.

 

[nidave]

More Fake News. I posted about this months ago - Operation Fennel is a long-planned revamp of the well-known and long-standing "Operation Stack" and has been in the making since long before the referendum ballot.

So Kent County coulncil are lying are they when the posted the Brexit impact assessments??

 

[mmh]

Two questions.
1. How long does it have to be implemented for before we can decide to change our minds.

You can change your mind whenever (although you haven't and won't, so I don't know why you think that will happen). You just need to persuade a government to apply to join or hold a referendum in the future, and win it. 40 years?

2. If your so sure of brexit why not allow a confirmation vote to confirm its still the "will of the people" are you worried that too many have changed views on it now we have more details?

A second vote would still be to leave, providing the ridiculous idea of a 3 option poll as pushed by the ridiculous "People's Vote" lot is laughed away.

More important is the awful precedent a second vote would introduce.

 

[mmh]

So Kent County coulncil are lying are they when the posted the Brexit impact assessments??

They're engaging in some remarkable Project Fear, yes. But this isn't news, they have been for a long time.

 

[nidave]

You can change your mind whenever (although you haven't and won't, so I don't know why you think that will happen). You just need to persuade a government to apply to join or hold a referendum in the future, and win it. 40 years?

40 years. Why should I be poorer for the next 40 years amd the country loose out. (jrm said it would take 50 years for us to see any benefits before you shout fake news)

A second vote would still be to leave, providing the ridiculous idea of a 3 option poll as pushed by the ridiculous "People's Vote" lot is laughed away.

More important is the awful precedent a second vote would introduce

Will it still be a brexit win? Are you sure..
If so why not prove it. There is nothing wrong with asking if people are sure and think the same way.
As for setting a precedent.. That's not a bad thing... That's how we evolve as a country. Or are you scared leave would not win.