Remaining GWR HST Diagrams

[Adsy125]

A couple of weeks ago Clarence Yard reckoned late March:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...grams-allocations.153431/page-47#post-3646129

Thanks, failed to find that one myself!

 

[Clarence Yard]

The latest delivery schedule from Hitachi means the “tail” of the HST rundown will now be slightly elongated past late March. Exact details are being worked out now. They will all be gone by the summer timetable with the last few sets running West of England diagrams.

Less than 100 SX GWR trains are now being operated (LTP) by HST sets and this will be down to around 50 SX by Xmas. Initial thoughts are that this will be with only 13 diagrams but this has to be confirmed.

 

[SwindonBert]

Is it not that if the train terminates at Swindon it will be a DMU, and if it goes to London at will be a 125/800? Can't imagine any intercity services would terminate at Swindon.

If there's problems / engineering works on the line between Swindon & Paddington there often is

 

[Rhydgaled]

You will be able to tell from RTT if it is a unit or an HST/IET. The timing loads of a DMU wil show 15x etc and the HST/IET are timed as HST. Note, of course, that you not get the actual class diagrammed but will give you an indication whether DMU or otherwise.

I thought the 'received wisdom' on here was that RealTime Trains timing loads are not particularly useful for identification of what is actually diagrammed to work a service. Anyway, thanks for the information; with a DMU working vice HST I imagine these would be rather 'cosy'?

Is it not that if the train terminates at Swindon it will be a DMU, and if it goes to London at will be a 125/800? Can't imagine any intercity services would terminate at Swindon.

In normal practice that indeed would be the case. However if a service that normally runs through to London is cut back in the event of engineering work you may get a HST terminating at an odd location (for example, on the date in question the Swansea-London services are cut back to Swansea-Newport and I presume will still be 125/800s despite the fact they won't be going through to London).

In the case of my trip, one working that caught my attention was 2Z63 1346 Cheltenham Spa to Swindon. On a normal Sunday (according to GWR's PDF timetable B7) this is a through service to Paddington and RTT has it down as booked into platform 1 at Swindon on the 14th (although the following 15:46 off Cheltenham is booked into platform 2 at Swindon on the 14th so will definately be a short DMU despite this train also normally being a through one to PAD). RTT also states that both workings offer first class accomodation, which seems to counteract the fact they are timed for 75mph DMUs. Have any of the 166/165 units that have moved west retained first class accomodation?

The latest delivery schedule from Hitachi means the “tail” of the HST rundown will now be slightly elongated past late March. Exact details are being worked out now. They will all be gone by the summer timetable with the last few sets running West of England diagrams.

I wonder if we'll see a farewell tour jsut before the last sets leave.

 

[PHILIPE]

I thought the 'received wisdom' on here was that RealTime Trains timing loads are not particularly useful for identification of what is actually diagrammed to work a service. Anyway, thanks for the information; with a DMU working vice HST I imagine these would be rather 'cosy'?

In normal practice that indeed would be the case. However if a service that normally runs through to London is cut back in the event of engineering work you may get a HST terminating at an odd location (for example, on the date in question the Swansea-London services are cut back to Swansea-Newport and I presume will still be 125/800s despite the fact they won't be going through to London).

In the case of my trip, one working that caught my attention was 2Z63 1346 Cheltenham Spa to Swindon. On a normal Sunday (according to GWR's PDF timetable B7) this is a through service to Paddington and RTT has it down as booked into platform 1 at Swindon on the 14th (although the following 15:46 off Cheltenham is booked into platform 2 at Swindon on the 14th so will definately be a short DMU despite this train also normally being a through one to PAD). RTT also states that both workings offer first class accomodation, which seems to counteract the fact they are timed for 75mph DMUs. Have any of the 166/165 units that have moved west retained first class accomodation?

I wonder if we'll see a farewell tour jsut before the last sets leave.

I know that people often confuse Timing Loads and diagrams on RTT but something with as big difference as a unit and IET/HST would certainly show as these would have to be entered specially in this case as STP services. Still doesn't say what actual class though. Almost everything on this route (DMU) now is Turbo worked but 15x timings still used.

In the case of 2Z63, Platform 2 is being used at the same time by a Westbury to Swindon service turning back.

 

[Rhydgaled]

I know that people often confuse Timing Loads and diagrams on RTT but something with as big difference as a unit and IET/HST would certainly show as these would have to be entered specially in this case as STP services. Still doesn't say what actual class though. Almost everything on this route (DMU) now is Turbo worked but 15x timings still used.

In the case of 2Z63, Platform 2 is being used at the same time by a Westbury to Swindon service turning back.

Ok, thanks for the information. Looks like its all probably going to be Turbos then so no point me aiming for 2Z63 in particular.

 

[kernowbususer]

The latest delivery schedule from Hitachi means the “tail” of the HST rundown will now be slightly elongated past late March. Exact details are being worked out now. They will all be gone by the summer timetable with the last few sets running West of England diagrams.

Less than 100 SX GWR trains are now being operated (LTP) by HST sets and this will be down to around 50 SX by Xmas. Initial thoughts are that this will be with only 13 diagrams but this has to be confirmed.

Are any more Cornwall/Devon diagrams due to change to IEP soon?

 

[Clarence Yard]

No, not for now.

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Am I correct in thinking there is a sole 9-car 802 in traffic? I thought these sets weren’t due into service until after all the 802/5 units were delivered.

 

[Clarence Yard]

Yes, 802101 has been delivered earlier than the rest so that the necessary type approvals could take place. It’s was always envisaged to use it as a spare set until the rest arrived.

 

[Mark Webster]

Any hst diagrams for devon /cornwall going over in Nov ember please?

 

[PHILIPE]

Any hst diagrams for devon /cornwall going over in Nov ember please?

Posts #187 and the reply in Post #188 give the latest info

 

[Wilts Wanderer]

Yes, 802101 has been delivered earlier than the rest so that the necessary type approvals could take place. It’s was always envisaged to use it as a spare set until the rest arrived.

Thanks for this! I wasn’t aware.

 

[FGW_DID]

I have a question, and this topic seems as good a place to ask as any...

Are any of the services between Swindon and Cheltenham/Gloucester on Sunday 14th of October booked for a HST? I will be heading to London from Gloucester and need to be in Paddington by about 6pm. Unfortunately the normal Sunday service of five through trains from Cheltenham to Paddington appears to be cut to zero on that date, with a change of train at Swindon required. I would be happy to sample a 9-car 80x if no IC125s are diagrammed, but if possible I would like to get a long train rather than a 2-car DMU (if it is only 2-car DMUs, maybe I should board at Cheltenham instead of Gloucester to be confident of getting seats). Maybe I should also check on the 80x diagrams topic to ensure none of the Bristol-PAD services are booked for a lone 5-car 80x on that day...

@Rhydgaled

Have looked at the STP diagrams for that Sunday, there are no HSTs diagrammed at all to Glos/Cheltenham.
There is one service I can see that is booked for an 800(9) - 1G72 18.30 London Paddington - Cheltenham.

No need to check the 80x topics, despite what information some folk like to pedal on this forum there are no Paddington - Bristol TM - Paddington IET services booked for a lone 5 car! Pad - Bristol IET services are all booked for either 800(9) or 2x 800(5)*

*Dependant as ever on unit availability!

 

[Adsy125]

@Rhydgaled

Have looked at the STP diagrams for that Sunday, there are no HSTs diagrammed at all.
There is one service I can see that is booked for an 800(9) - 1G72 18.30 London Paddington - Cheltenham.

No need to check the 80x topics, despite what information some folk like to pedal on this forum there are no Paddington - Bristol TM - Paddington services booked for a lone 5 car! Pad - Bristol services are all booked for either 800(9) or 2x 800(5)*

*Dependant as ever on unit availability!

Are there no more HST diagrams to Bristol?

 

[nat67]

Hi folks i'm planning to do a HST spin on Saturday 13th October I know its harder to work out whats working what with vices and cancellations but will the 0623 WSM-PAD be still HST. And should the 0903 from PAD still be hauled.
Cheers folks.

 

[cactustwirly]

Hi folks i'm planning to do a HST spin on Saturday 13th October I know its harder to work out whats working what with vices and cancellations but will the 0623 WSM-PAD be still HST. And should the 0903 from PAD still be hauled.
Cheers folks.

0623 is a HST, the 0903 is likely to be an 802.

 

[FGW_DID]

Are there no more HST diagrams to Bristol?

Yes there is, I was just responding to that particular query. I’ll edit it.

 

[cactustwirly]

Are there no more HST diagrams to Bristol?

The weekday 1030 & 1430 PAD - WSM are HSTs AFAIK

 

[CC 72100]

The weekday 1030 & 1430 PAD - WSM are HSTs AFAIK

It's another Newbury week this week, so may not be.

 

[fgwrich]

Can anyone tell me how the Padd - Plymouth services are looking? I'm heading off to Devon next week around mid-day and would ideally like to catch a Pullman service on the HST set while I can.

 

[Mark Webster]

The first two Plymouth-padd trains were units this morning.
0451&0553
0451 did 0927 x padd-pz.
0553 did c12

 

[nat67]

0623 is a HST, the 0903 is likely to be an 802.

should the 0852 to OXF still be hauled?

 

[Rhydgaled]

@Rhydgaled

Have looked at the STP diagrams for that Sunday, there are no HSTs diagrammed at all to Glos/Cheltenham.
There is one service I can see that is booked for an 800(9) - 1G72 18.30 London Paddington - Cheltenham.

Thank you for looking. Since there are no long trains (and the earlier comment from somebody about GWR being short of crews on Sundays) I'm now leaning heavily towards going into Euston on Virgin instead of into Paddington on GWR.

 

[PHILIPE]

Thank you for looking. Since there are no long trains (and the earlier comment from somebody about GWR being short of crews on Sundays) I'm now leaning heavily towards going into Euston on Virgin instead of into Paddington on GWR.

By the way, and earlier discussion with you, ALL the Paddington to Cheltenhams ran last Sunday which may have been the first time for about a year.

 

[CMRail]

Monday some more Cheltenhams go over. Should leave just very few left on the Cheltenham’s. All will go over by end of November meaning it’s the first route to be fully IET operated.

 

[FQ]

should the 0852 to OXF still be hauled?

ECS looks like it comes from North Pole so probably not.

 

[Oscar46016]

Is the 08:26 cardiff paddington likely to be a HST tomorrow?

 

[Mag_seven]

Is the 08:26 cardiff paddington likely to be a HST tomorrow?

I think that may be a Class 800 I'm afraid, but changes to booked traction often occur on the day.

 

[FGW_DID]

Is the 08:26 cardiff paddington likely to be a HST tomorrow?

1L34 07.29 Swansea (08.26 Cardiff) - Paddington is part of a 800 (9car) diagram.

800310 had the honours this morning.