GWR Class 165/166 Turbo Diagrams

[PHILIPE]

Is 2O70 (08.41 Temple Meads to Weymouth) actually booked for anything? Seems to be whatever GWR can find lying around atm - 166, 150 or 158! (though I guess better than the 3x153 it was for a little bit!).

It is at Gloucester overnight and I think it is currently a 158/9 but, as you say, anything can turn up on it.

 

[PHILIPE]

This diagram is usually a 150 but Turbo has started to turn up occasionally as unit starts in Exeter as 2D02.

Its been pretty solid 166 for several weeks now but, as we used to say, diagrams are "there to be broken"

 

[railfan26]

2M02 0519 Gloucester - Southampton Central via Swindon
2M97 0823 Southampton Central - Great Malvern
2O90 1251 Great Malvern - Weymouth
2V93 1730 Weymouth - Bristol Temple Meads

Quoted from another source the unit starting 5M02 is not a Turbo and has been working 2C93 2154 Bristol TM to Exeter and, the unit starting 2K00 works 2C98 2306 Bristol TM and not 2041 Bristol TM to Worcester SHrub Hill which has been formed off 2M60 1917 Taunton to Cardiff and not a Turbo.

 

[spark001uk]

Its been pretty solid 166 for several weeks now but, as we used to say, diagrams are "there to be broken"

I was going to say, I'm sure it was a 166 the day before!

 

[railfan26]

Can anyone confirm if this is a turbo diagram please?

5Y04 0615 Gloucester Carriage Sdgs to Cheltenham Spa
2Y04 0648 Cheltenham Spa to Weston-super-Mare
2U08 0840 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads
5C73 1028 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C73 1153½ Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton
2U18 1307 Taunton to Cardiff Central
5C83 1522 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C83 1600 Cardiff Central to Taunton
2U28 1808 Taunton to Cardiff Central
5C34 2015 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C34 2100 Cardiff Central to Westbury
5C34 2310 Westbury to Westbury Dmu Sidings

 

[ATW158Xpress]

Can anyone confirm if this is a turbo diagram please?

5Y04 0615 Gloucester Carriage Sdgs to Cheltenham Spa
2Y04 0648 Cheltenham Spa to Weston-super-Mare
2U08 0840 Weston-super-Mare to Bristol Temple Meads
5C73 1028 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C73 1153½ Bristol Temple Meads to Taunton
2U18 1307 Taunton to Cardiff Central
5C83 1522 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C83 1600 Cardiff Central to Taunton
2U28 1808 Taunton to Cardiff Central
5C34 2015 Cardiff Central to Cardiff Central
2C34 2100 Cardiff Central to Westbury
5C34 2310 Westbury to Westbury Dmu Sidings

Yes it is a booked Turbo diagram Monday to Friday.

 

[railfan26]

Yes it is a booked Turbo diagram Monday to Friday.

Sorry meant Saturday's

 

[PHILIPE]

Yes it is a booked Turbo diagram Monday to Friday.

Its an SO diagram that Railfan has quoted. There is no 0648 Cheltenham to Weston-super-Mare M-F

 

[JN114]

It’s currently a 166 diagram on Saturdays - but caveat that Saturday and Sunday diagrams are rarely settled due to engineering works.

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

Ere - does anyone know when the first Turbo is due to run in passenger service down to Portsmouth?

On Twitter GWR have said to passengers Summer 2018 I think.

Yet we're in September and still, people are putting up with good but packed Class 150 and 158 trains.

To be honest (going slightly off topic) there's a "backlog" of things that GWR need to sort out to gain passenger satisfaction - 4 or 5 of which I emailed Mark Hopwood about (but have tried politely stress the point) around what 4 days ago!

 

[swt_passenger]

There are ground position lights to be moved somewhere, near the Harbour station. Week 31 (November?) is planned according to a post a couple of weeks ago in the other Turbo cascade thread:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...l-region-services.146681/page-20#post-3597204

 

[railfan26]

Its an SO diagram that Railfan has quoted. There is no 0648 Cheltenham to Weston-super-Mare M-F

It’s currently a 166 diagram on Saturdays - but caveat that Saturday and Sunday diagrams are rarely settled due to engineering works.

Thank you both for clarifying. @SWTrainspottin one for the list please

 

[pompeyfan]

Ere - does anyone know when the first Turbo is due to run in passenger service down to Portsmouth?

On Twitter GWR have said to passengers Summer 2018 I think.

Yet we're in September and still, people are putting up with good but packed Class 150 and 158 trains.

To be honest (going slightly off topic) there's a "backlog" of things that GWR need to sort out to gain passenger satisfaction - 4 or 5 of which I emailed Mark Hopwood about (but have tried politely stress the point) around what 4 days ago!

To be fair a lot more services are running through to Portsmouth with 4/5 coaches all in service. I understand though that 5 is the maximum due to lack of SDO on the sprinters.

 

[chrisncal54]

Thank you both for clarifying. @SWTrainspottin one for the list please

Still one-way, railfan26!

 

[railfan26]

Still one-way, railfan26!

@chrisncal54 have no longer been requesting units since being spoken to and swtrainspottin asked to let him know of any diagrams missing so needed to clarify them with others before asking him to post. Appreciate your views will always remain the same though and that's understandable

 

[railfan26]

Also @SWTrainspottin looks as though units are often swapped out at Westbury on the diagram between
5F99 1946 Westbury - Westbury Dmu Sidings 1954 and
5C92 2027 Westbury Dmu Sidings - Westbury 2035

 

[SWTrainspottin]

166206 worked 1F05 0730 Cardiff - Fareham and 166212 working 1F09 0930 Cardiff - Fareham.

 

[pompeyfan]

166206 worked 1F05 0730 Cardiff - Fareham and 166212 working 1F09 0930 Cardiff - Fareham.

And to hell with those living in Portsmouth?

If Fratton has been cleared why are they not terminating there? Is it not possible to clear only part of a route code?

 

[Kite159]

The end of the comfortable 158s on the moderately long distance Cardiff - Portsmouth services is in sight, soon the joys of no seat reservations and outer suburban 3+2 seating with no seat-back tables (or many other tables) to put your cups of coffee will be with us

Although looking at Journey Check, looks like the 09:30 is running through to Portsmouth now

 

[swt_passenger]

And to hell with those living in Portsmouth?

If Fratton has been cleared why are they not terminating there? Is it not possible to clear only part of a route code?

Is it because there’s nowhere to put them for (maybe) 45 mins? If cleared for Portsmouth & Southsea low level, is there a free platform? Or for Fratton depot do the necessary shunts fit into the existing moves?

 

[pompeyfan]

Is it because there’s nowhere to put them for (maybe) 45 mins? If cleared for Portsmouth & Southsea low level, is there a free platform? Or for Fratton depot do the necessary shunts fit into the existing moves?

The unit could quite happily sit in platform 2 or 3 at Fratton but would reduce flexibility for the signaller. The low level would be out the question as at the end of each hour all space is used. You could possibly just about have time to shunt it into the depot but there’s lots of units being detached and ECS to the depot after the morning peak.

At a real push you could turn the littlehampton in platform 2, and put the Turbo on top of the Southampton, I don’t think there’s anything that follows the littlehampton into Portsmouth.

Operationally Fareham I suppose does make more sense (even if it means southern actually have to run through to Southampton), but from a passenger point of view unless you’re at the station 20+ minutes early you’re going to miss your train.

 

[swt_passenger]

The unit could quite happily sit in platform 2 or 3 at Fratton but would reduce flexibility for the signaller. The low level would be out the question as at the end of each hour all space is used. You could possibly just about have time to shunt it into the depot but there’s lots of units being detached and ECS to the depot after the morning peak.

At a real push you could turn the littlehampton in platform 2, and put the Turbo on top of the Southampton, I don’t think there’s anything that follows the littlehampton into Portsmouth.

Operationally Fareham I suppose does make more sense (even if it means southern actually have to run through to Southampton), but from a passenger point of view unless you’re at the station 20+ minutes early you’re going to miss your train.

Could have been an academic question anyway, as per RTT the incoming train was already 31 down at Fareham, which is when they start thinking about turning back early normally. Lost time gradually throughout the journey - reason given “replaced by a slower train”...

 

[Clarence Yard]

It's a very academic question as, pending the work at Harbour, NR have stuck an OPPOS restriction on from as far back as Portcreek Jct so even getting into Fratton in passenger service is out at the moment.

 

[ATW158Xpress]

Could have been an academic question anyway, as per RTT the incoming train was already 31 down at Fareham, which is when they start thinking about turning back early normally. Lost time gradually throughout the journey - reason given “replaced by a slower train”...

Bit of an unusual reason as Turbo’s have got the same maximum speed of 158’s?

 

[swt_passenger]

It's a very academic question as, pending the work at Harbour, NR have stuck an OPPOS restriction on from as far back as Portcreek Jct so even getting into Fratton in passenger service is out at the moment.

Will that effectively be to avoid any difficulties about where to hide them between departure and arrival, if they were expected to be still on time on Fratton?

 

[Clarence Yard]

No, just a very risk averse decision by NR to effectively stop them going down that entire stretch of line. They wouldn't have been thinking about the train service at all.

 

[SWTrainspottin]

The end of the comfortable 158s on the moderately long distance Cardiff - Portsmouth services is in sight, soon the joys of no seat reservations and outer suburban 3+2 seating with no seat-back tables (or many other tables) to put your cups of coffee will be with us

Although looking at Journey Check, looks like the 09:30 is running through to Portsmouth now

Turbos will have seat reservations. Hence the coach lettering.

 

[Kite159]

Turbos will have seat reservations. Hence the coach lettering.

I will believe it when I see a 166 with seat numbers & little pieces of card stuck somewhere to the seats.

 

[FGW_DID]

I will believe it when I see a 166 with seat numbers & little pieces of card stuck somewhere to the seats.

165s as well

166s will be coach A/B/C, the 165s will be coach D/E.

As seen in this Flickr photo of 165132 by PDeaves (presumably the same one on this forum ):

https://flic.kr/p/LFhya1

 

[chrisncal54]

@chrisncal54 have no longer been requesting units since being spoken to and swtrainspottin asked to let him know of any diagrams missing so needed to clarify them with others before asking him to post. Appreciate your views will always remain the same though and that's understandable

It's excellent that u have turned things around and are now providing unit information to those who ask, rather than it being just you endlessly asking! Brilliant - as this site, ultimately, works on a reciprocal, sharing basis.