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Hi chaps,

A little help for an old person please ?

I have been offered a PC which has Linux Ubuntu as the OS rather than windows.

This is all new to me. Any constructive observations to help me decide would be very welcome.

Thank you

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If you have programs that depend on windows don't do it,

Linux is for tech savvy people so if you don't know what you're doing stay away from it and keep with windows :P
 
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Don't.

If you absolutely have to use something other than Windows, use a Mac. At least they take a semi usable underpinning and put it under a decent GUI. Linux is really a hobbyist thing...
 

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I have a Toshiba Netbook that runs on Ubuntu. For the purposes I need a netbook for its ideal and the system is actually very user friendly and doesnt need the huge amounts of memory that the Windows os do.
I dabled with various Linux systems before such as Mandriva and Red Hat and found them as others have described but Ubuntu is a huge step forward.
What do you want to use your PC for?
 

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If you can adjust to change, and can get your head around a completely new way of doing things, then Ubuntu is simply fab. If not, stick with Windows.
 

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I've used Ubuntu for several years now and find it an absolute dream - far superior to Windows,and a lot less trouble.
 

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Not really used Ubuntu myself, I use Debian (Lenny) a lot at work for development PCs and Production servers (although Production servers are secured a lot more and do not include the GUI)
 

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Got to agree with justin too.

I'd have to disagree.

I've been playing around with various "Live CD's" and they are a breath of fresh air. Ubuntu is one of them.

I prefer Knopix for it's lightness at the moment.
As with all of them, the way you can just switch desktops at the drop of a hat is nice.

OS, browser, email, chat, open office and much more for free, can't complain.

Every machine I've dropped the CD's into is booted up perfectly, one is going to be installed and I'll wave good bye to windows for ever :)
 

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When I installed Ubuntu as a dual boot option it took in total about 15 minutes to set up and get running. I use Ubuntu not too frequently but when I do I find it just works, no hassle, no worries. I usually only use it to surf the 'Net but there are a huge number of resources out there to help you if you get stuck somewhere. It is very different from Windows but don't let that put you off. By the way it comes with Firefox so that may be something else to think about but believe me it just works.
 
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The following post is in my personal experience, your experience may be different to mine because linux will run differently on different systems
Dai said:
If you have programs that depend on windows don't do it,
WRONG download WINE that will run windows programs out of the box

DaveP1991 said:
Indeed, avoid Linux unless you know what you are doing.
WRONG, that is the older distros, ubuntu was designed to be as user friendly as possible, it is easier to use than windows, when I started with ubuntu I new nothing about it, while using it for general use I learnt how to use it properly and how much better it is than windows, and I only got rid of it on my desktop because I was running low on disk space

poshbakerloo said:
Ubuntu takes ages to set up. My dad tried it but gave up after a while as there were still some little things that didn't work properly...
it does take a while to set up I'll admit and if done correctly it will be one of the most stable operating systems as possible

flymo said:
By the way it comes with Firefox so that may be something else to think about but believe me it just works.
firefox is one of the best browsers around if not the best, it works straight out of the box, millions of add ons and a very knowledgeable community who can do anything with it

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I am probably not the best person to talk to about for this sort of thing because I will always be biased toward linux and I prefer it to windows because it is more stable, faster, and it stays fast because the files do not fragment across the disk
 

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The following post is in my personal experience, your experience may be different to mine because linux will run differently on different systems

WRONG download WINE that will run windows programs out of the box

Let me rephrase, BUG FREE, I've never used WINE but it'll be like giving a cat a dog collar, it'll fit on but it won't like it.
 

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To be honest if your not playing games why would you need windows software on linux?
On Ubuntu you have firefox for your browser, Evolution for email, Open Office 3 for your office suite, Totem Movie player, Pidgin as a IM client, Abobe Reader. Skype, Adobe, VLC and real player all have native linux versions.

The only real shortcoming I have found is that Ubuntu lacks a I tunes programme if you have your music in the mac format. Apparently if you have it in the windows format Banshee is ok.
 

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Ubuntu takes ages to set up. My dad tried it but gave up after a while as there were still some little things that didn't work properly...
Windows takes ages to set up properly too!

If you just want a basic installation to access the web and office apps, you can do the installation with Ubuntu in perhaps a third of the time it would take to do the same with Windows!
 

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If you're just wanting officey/email type things,

You'll also find that once you get used to it, things can be done far quicker and easier than under Windows - by virtue of the fact that the command line is far more comprehensive.
 
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Quite why you'd want to run WinAMP under Wine beggars belief... Xmms / Audacious look and act virtually the same as WinAMP and are far superior native linux apps. ;)

*Whoosh*

That was the sound of you missing the point completely.
 

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I don't really see how when you move a window it looks a little strange is that big an issue personally.
 

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*Whoosh*

That was the sound of you missing the point completely.

Im afraid the points lost on me as well. Winamps a pretty average piece of Microsoft software owned by a subsidary of AOL. Unless you want some wierd and wonderfull format support and I suggest that the average user wouldnt why the hell would you try to install it on a Linux system?
 
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The point I have been trying to make all along is that someone made a blanket statement that you can run **ANY** Windows program on Linux by installing WinE, which to say the very least, is blatantly wrong. I posted that video, which is my own, showing that WinE can't even perform a simple GUI task such as moving the Winamp Window; what hope does it ever have of fully supporting *all* Windows apps?

*Sigh* - fanboi'ism strikes again...
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I don't really see how when you move a window it looks a little strange is that big an issue personally.

A little strange?

If you actually watch the video, you will see that moving the mouse at anything faster than a sloth's rate, causes the window to jump about the screen violently. See the top part of this post for the 'point' I've been trying to make all along.
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I am probably not the best person to talk to about for this sort of thing because I will always be biased toward linux and I prefer it to windows because it is more stable, faster, and it stays fast because the files do not fragment across the disk

Right; that must be the reason I've never managed more than a week's uptime on Linux, my Mac was even worse, and yet my Windows XP machine, which as it happens is a pretty duffed up install anyway, is sitting on 61 days of uptime, my Vista machine at work is on one month (would be almost three now, however I decided to reboot it purely by choice) and that I've had several months off Windows 95 before?

Faster? I don't think so buddy. Linux is slower to boot, slower to shut down, slower to run programs, slower to write and read files to disk... I could go on... You probably *think* it's faster because it's not susceptible to so many viruses like Windows is, because it doesn't have a market share worth bothering with, and that you visiting redtube.com and contracting viruses because you're technically inept suddenly becomes Microsoft's problem.

As for files not fragmenting along the disk, that's something people try and make you believe about Linux filesystems and even the Mac filesystem but there is evidence to support that these can fragment just as much as an NTFS or a FAT volume. Apple even has an article on their site telling you that a HFS+ partition WILL in time fragment, and that the only way to properly defrag it is to REFORMAT. (but wait, Windows sucks, right?) Besides, it's irrelevant, the bottlekneck is almost never due to fragmentation but rather the drive controller, spindle speed, seek time and other factors.

Please learn something before spouting utter tripe about computers, OSes and superiority, and that applies for all of you. Don't even get me started on Linux security and why its kernel absolutely sucks.
 
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Faster? I don't think so buddy. Linux is slower to boot, slower to shut down, slower to run programs, slower to write and read files to disk... I could go on... You probably *think* it's faster because it's not susceptible to so many viruses like Windows is, because it doesn't have a market share worth bothering with, and that you visiting redtube.com and contracting viruses because you're technically inept suddenly becomes Microsoft's problem.
are you mad?! linux is designed to run faster than windows, if you take a low powered computer, and a high powered computer, the high powered one with windows, the low powered one with linux, which would boot faster? wrong, its the linux one!
Please learn something before spouting utter tripe about computers, OSes and superiority, and that applies for all of you. Don't even get me started on Linux security and why its kernel absolutely sucks.
well linux is more secure than windows, for example when you run something that changes the settings you have to type your password in meaning that you are actually thinking about what you are doing, you don't get an annoying security box with an allow or disallow button where you click the allow button just through annoyance and watch while you get a bsod.
 
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are you mad?! linux is designed to run faster than windows, if you take a low powered computer, and a high powered computer, the high powered one with windows, the low powered one with linux, which would boot faster? wrong, its the linux one!

I don't feel like digging out my old YouTube videos which will disprove this theory nor do I feel like installing Linux on one of my old boxes alongside Windows, to also disprove this theory.

well linux is more secure than windows,

Nonsense. Utter nonsense. How the hell is a monolithic kernel designed on archaic security principles with a complete lack of security granularity more secure than a hybrid kernel such as the NT one...? Oh wait, it isn't. And to top it off, slapping a lousy method of setting ACLs over a crap kernel doesn't count as security, either.

for example when you run something that changes the settings you have to type your password in meaning that you are actually thinking about what you are doing, you don't get an annoying security box with an allow or disallow button where you click the allow button just through annoyance and watch while you get a bsod.

That paragraph isn't even worth answering; and you obviously don't even understand what BSODs are for. If you think Windows is so insecure, why don't I give you my IP address, and you can try and get into my machine?

I like it how you conveniently ignored the part of me post regarding stability and uptimes, too.

Since this is a rail forum, if you want to continue arguing with me and trying to convince me that Linux is actually a competitor to Windows, please, feel free to PM me, but be warned I will just continue to crush any more of your BS theories that you manage to come up with.
 
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I can see this topic turning into a flame war about why linux is better than windows or vice verse so even though posting the following does break the forum rules, I would suggest locking the topic
 
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