EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[northwichcat]

Both Laura Kuenssberg and Robert Peston are now effectively saying either Theresa May will go or her Brexit plan will be torn up.

 

[EM2]

Friday: 'Yes, we all agree on this statement.'
Monday: 'We actually don't all agree with that statement and we're resigning, and if doesn't get withdrawn then we'll stab our boss in the back.'
Your Government, everyone.

 

[Altfish]

As David Davis has repeatedly said, "Brexit is Simple"

At least today we have got rid of two of the biggest buffoons and liars in Westminster.

 

[Puffing Devil]

Friday: 'Yes, we all agree on this statement.'
Monday: 'We actually don't all agree with that statement and we're resigning, and if doesn't get withdrawn then we'll stab our boss in the back.'
Your Government, everyone.

Surely Friday was more: "We don't agree on this statement, but we don't want to walk home"

 

[Puffing Devil]

As David Davis has repeatedly said, "Brexit is Simple"

At least today we have got rid of two of the biggest buffoons and liars in Westminster.

Unfortunately, we still have them in Westminster. And I'm pretty sure we'll see BoJo launching his leadership bid soon - which is all he wanted from Brexit anyway.

 

[EM2]

As David Davis has repeatedly said, "Brexit is Simple"

At least today we have got rid of two of the biggest buffoons and liars in Westminster.

One of them being David Davis...

 

[EM2]

You can always rely on Boris Johnson to be second over the parapet.

 

[bramling]

Regardless this is the only way any Brexit deal, no matter the content is going to pass parliament. No one party contains enough members fully committed to one approach to Brexit that they can pass their version of a bill.

The problem this country has at the moment is both parties lack competent politicians particularly with leadership talent. The Brexit situation is just one symptom of this, the botched general election is another.

Brexit is not something which aligns to party lines, which is partly why we had the referendum in the first place. It doesn’t help that we still don’t really know Corbyn’s position.

May is useless, but there’s still no obvious replacement - in any party. Whatever happens this still remains a problem, and I’d say this is one of the main reasons things are a mess at the moment.

I think people are tiring of all this, and are disappointed the politicians continue to make a mess of something they want. In the longer term this could be quite problematic - apathy and disengagement from the political system is not good.

 

[Cowley]

I think we need to get Gareth Southgate in...

 

[Geezertronic]

I think we need to get Gareth Southgate in...

Gareth is too much of a nice guy to become a politician

 

[Busaholic]

What people will do in order to avoid meeting Donald Trump. Expect the Queen's abdication within the hour (emoji immobilised).

 

[Howardh]

What people will do in order to avoid meeting Donald Trump. Expect the Queen's abdication within the hour (emoji immobilised).

I wouldn't be surprised if Her Maj told May "clear orf, I'll do this myself..."

Actually, I wonder if it wouldn't have been a better idea to remove Brexit from politics and treated it as a business relationship and sent William and Harry to negotiate for us.

 

[northwichcat]

Gareth is too much of a nice guy to become a politician

Maybe a nice guy is what we need. People have suggested Nick Clegg should be doing our Brexit negotiations and it isn't all that stupid when you think about it. Clegg and the EU are friends and Clegg knows the EU don't want us to leave and the EU knows Clegg doesn't want to leave but something they have to work out. It'd be like Len McCluskey asking a Corbyn led government for public sector pay rises when the government is short on funds instead of asking a May led government for public sector pay rises.

 

[Howardh]

Maybe a nice guy is what we need. People have suggested Nick Clegg should be doing our Brexit negotiations and it isn't all that stupid when you think about it. Clegg and the EU are friends and Clegg knows the EU don't want us to leave and the EU knows Clegg doesn't want to leave but something they have to work out. It'd be like Len McCluskey asking a Corbyn led government for public sector pay rises when the government is short on funds instead of asking a May led government for public sector pay rises.

I've considered that, not partricularly Clegg but sending in Ken Clarke who oozes EU and the EU negotiators would be far more understanding and we'd get a much better deal. Probably done over a Scotch and fine cigars. And probably with, from the Eu, a "really sorry to see you go, remember, Ken, the door's always open" and a keen handshake.

 

[northwichcat]

I've considered that, not partricularly Clegg but sending in Ken Clarke who oozes EU and the EU negotiators would be far more understanding and we'd get a much better deal. Probably done over a Scotch and fine cigars. And probably with, from the Eu, a "really sorry to see you go, remember, Ken, the door's always open" and a keen handshake.

Clarke proved he was a bit past it for a front row cabinet job when he was Justice Secretary, which is why Cameron gave him the dubious 'Minister without Portfolio' role in a subsequent reshuffle. Although, from impression David Davies gave Brexit Secretary was only slightly more work than Clarke did as 'Minister without Portfolio.'

 

[Darandio]

Have no fear, Farage is here. He has tweeted:

Given recent events, I will discuss my next political move on LBC at 7pm.

 

[Aictos]

Question is who is likely to now be our representative on the world stage now we've finally got shot of Bojo.

 

[YorkshireBear]

Have no fear, Farage is here. He has tweeted:

Dear god, is he bored now he isnt in the spotlight?

 

[northwichcat]

Dear god, is he bored now he isnt in the spotlight?

He was in the spotlight a couple of days ago after he caught an endangered shark while fishing and posted a picture on social media. The claim is it was thrown in to the sea while still alive (the shark not Farage.)

 

[Aictos]

He was in the spotlight a couple of days ago after he caught an endangered shark while fishing and posted a picture on social media. The claim is it was thrown in to the sea while still alive (the shark not Farage.)

Damn, you had to let us down!

 

[Howardh]

Question is who is likely to now be our representative on the world stage now we've finally got shot of Bojo.

Bernard Manning.

Safer hands.

 

[EM2]

Have no fear, Farage is here. He has tweeted:

'If Chequers agreement is not broken, if Brexit is not back on track, I will seriously consider putting my name forward as leader of UKIP. I promise those Conservative MPs who are in marginal constituencies that I will guarantee you will lose your seat.'
This is the third big laugh I've had today.

 

[Ianno87]

Question is who is likely to now be our representative on the world stage now we've finally got shot of Bojo.

The runner-up on Love Island.

 

[fowler9]

What an absolute mess. It is amusing at the same time. As an aside a lady I know who voted leave was saying she hopes we win the World Cup because all the foreigners hate us and that would show them.I asked her if we got to the final who would she rather beat? "France, they really hate us. No wonder we voted leave". That bloke who did nothing for two years, Davis, has resigned. The most unsuitable foreign secretary in history has resigned. We'll probably get a leadership challenge. Which one of these unprincipled self interested idiots will be left in charge to throw us off the white cliffs of Dover.

 

[mmh]

Unless the counting was done nationally (which would have meant the result wouldn't have been released the following morning)

That would have been preferable.

While many MPs seem to ignore how their constituents voted, local results should be useful for MPs when deciding how to vote in parliament in a way which represents their constituents (which is their job to do) rather than the whole country.

You can argue that one from multiple angles. Should an MP slavishly follow their party line, should they go with the majority view of their constituents, or go with their own opinion?

From some of your comments I'm going to guess you veer towards the liberals. Nothing wrong with that, but your suggestions that remain MPs might defect to the libdems or some new party is fantasy. There won't be any defections, at least not in that direction.

Again the only beneficiary of Brexit not happening would be UKIP. Their vote collapsed last year because their reason for existing appeared to be over, and voters went back to their traditional parties. It won't take much for them to resurrect from the dead.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

It was the majority verdict of the British electorate who voted in favour of leaving the EU in the referendum, but from all these discussions about politicians, political editors and the like, you would be now hard pressed to remember who it actually was who made the decision to leave the EU.

 

[najaB]

It was the British electorate who voted in favour of leaving the EU in the referendum...

The electorate voted to leave the EU, but we had no say in what leaving looked like. Many who voted to leave aren't happy with the mess that has been presented so far.

 

[southern442]

Hunt new foreign sec...

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

The electorate voted to leave the EU, but we had no say in what leaving looked like. Many who voted to leave aren't happy with the mess that has been presented so far.

Are you saying that the electorate voted in the full knowledge that they had no say in what leaving looked like. Then they deserve to reap what they have sown for still deciding to vote the way they did.

 

[bussnapperwm]

Hunt new foreign sec...

It's like changing the lunatic who's running the asylum at the moment