Peter Mugridge
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A thought here - do you drive 387s at King's Cross? If so, far from trying to take your picture it might have been me trying to show you the one I had just taken of the train itself... Back in November or December?
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Could my video get a driver in trouble?
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A thought here - do you drive 387s at King's Cross? If so, far from trying to take your picture it might have been me trying to show you the one I had just taken of the train itself... Back in November or December?
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No pal, I drive for VTWC. The person trying to get me was at New St and it was a few years ago.
D365
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In my experience I find that more to be car drivers... mainly when you're keeping a reasonable distance between cars in the fast lane.
Bromley boy
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What were you doing to prompt them to give you the finger?!
DarloRich
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just taking pictures - they were messing about. ( i think)
Bromley boy
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Fair enough - that’s a little harsh of them. I usually nod at photographers.
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Bromley boy
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I responded in kind
Yep I’d have done exactly the same. There are some right miserable b*ggers at the pointy end of trains.
EE Andy b1
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Yep I’d have done exactly the same. There are some right miserable b*ggers at the pointy end of trains.
Your not wrong!
I went to London Paddington taking photo's of Class 43s for there 40th anniversary and was taking a sequence of 43002 on approach from the country end. When i reviewed the photo's a minute or two later, what did i discover but the nice GWR driver holding two fingers up to the windscreen, and it wasn't V for victory.
If i would have got to the buffer stop end before he had disappeared he would have got my two penneth.
I thought about posting the photo just to show him up, but then id be as bad and sad as him. Then just thought well if that's what makes his day, so be it, .
Anyway i can just airbrush that fool out.
I'm a VTWC driver and i let on to anyone. In a nice way. Other drivers from any TOC/FOC, platform staff, rail enthusiasts especially if i notice them taking photo's
, families & youngsters waving even passengers.Certainly sound the horn when warranted especially to waving youngsters and those videoing if there signalling for it!
Peter Mugridge
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Thanks.
You're right.
But at the same time, I don't want to work in an industry where I'm constantly worrying about what other people may or may not be doing, and choose not to.
Some of the things I have said to people in previous roles has been really awful. But at the same time, the customer starts making things personal and not following procedure and to be honest, wasting my time.
A great example is me writing to a customer telling them "we're sorry here's a partial refund".
They write back to the department head saying that wasn't good enough and they wanted a reply from the Director.
I pen another letter stating all feedback must come through our department and we wouldn't be doing anything more than what was offered. Signed from the department head, who actually signs it trusting my content. The customer replies to the Director "strictly private".
The Directors PA opens it and brings it back to me to write a reply and offer a 50% refund. Signed by the Director, the PA PP's it. Customer didn't reply.
The Director never saw it. It's not their job to read letters; it was mine. It's their job to take a report of the feedback and act on it if they wish.
I'd bet my left leg this sort of thing happens in most companies. The customer didn't understand the procedure and wasted my time.
I pen another letter stating all feedback must come through our department and we wouldn't be doing anything more than what was offered. Signed from the department head, who actually signs it trusting my content. The customer replies to the Director "strictly private".
The Directors PA opens it and brings it back to me to write a reply and offer a 50% refund. Signed by the Director, the PA PP's it. Customer didn't reply.
The Director never saw it. It's not their job to read letters; it was mine. It's their job to take a report of the feedback and act on it if they wish.
I'd bet my left leg this sort of thing happens in most companies. The customer didn't understand the procedure and wasted my time.
But then again, I've seen videos / heard audio of funny PA announcements on trains and various other things and can't see how the person would get into trouble. Yeah, if you have a rubbish power hungry manager who wants to get at you, perhaps. But there's no reason you can't tell your manager that they're a bit demotivating. Not usual, but it should be.
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I regularly open up and take my hands off the controls. I also regularly look back out of the window, particularly if the guard is dispatching from a passenger door (he can't see what's going on properly as there is no droplight window). I've come from working DOO so monitoring the PTI is still something I like to do.
Should the question be.....I hope you obtained permission from the TOC(s) to film at the various platforms?
No it wouldnt. Tpws activation or going too fast would result in some action, not pulling a face!
And why would they need to do that? Enlighten us.
I am just going by what is on the network rail website...
https://filming.networkrail.co.uk/faq.aspx
Some people seem to be quick to jump the drivers back but what about the person filming?
Surely can’t be one rule for one & one for another
E_Reeves
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I think that section is for people wishing to distribute their photos or sell them. I've never heard of enthusiasts having to pay to take photos!
No. The person in this thread has been filming....not taking photographs.
E_Reeves
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It means the same thing. Who's to know if you are filming or taking photos and I'm sure the same rules apply for both.
Pretty much the same thing, covered by the Network Rail enthusiast guidelines.
It seems strange to me that you are carrying on with this. The OP has done nothing wrong, the driver hasn't really done anything wrong either. Regardless, it was the driver that did what they did.
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https://filming.networkrail.co.uk/faq.aspx
So just say your documenting the current affairs of the railway of today.... no charge !
On a serious note. That FAQ section is really aimed at those who use photography as a commercial enterprise, where there is likely hood of a production team, which may cause disruption to staff or passengers, I don't think it applies to a guy at the end of a platform with a small camcorder or phone videoing for their own non-profit / non- commercial use. Having said that, whilst you are permitted to film / photograph in public places, most stations are often classed as privately owned, by the TOC or Network rail (the subject has been debated to death on the net and in these forums).
To the OP - It could be worse, if you had videoed a SPAD or something then what you describe. If you have a concern then edit the video so that part is not included. You get to upload your video and can do so knowing that there is no risk of the driver being identified by any management that may see the video.
So just say your documenting the current affairs of the railway of today.... no charge !
On a serious note. That FAQ section is really aimed at those who use photography as a commercial enterprise, where there is likely hood of a production team, which may cause disruption to staff or passengers, I don't think it applies to a guy at the end of a platform with a small camcorder or phone videoing for their own non-profit / non- commercial use. Having said that, whilst you are permitted to film / photograph in public places, most stations are often classed as privately owned, by the TOC or Network rail (the subject has been debated to death on the net and in these forums).
To the OP - It could be worse, if you had videoed a SPAD or something then what you describe. If you have a concern then edit the video so that part is not included. You get to upload your video and can do so knowing that there is no risk of the driver being identified by any management that may see the video.
Stop. Just stop.
I bet you £100 here and now that Network Rai wouldn't give two hoots (IE, they won't charge) about the OP recording at their stations. If they were working for a production company or the BBC then yes, but don't blame your mis-understanding of the FAQ on the OP.
shredder1
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Sounds like the driver was being friendly and having a bit of fun, best air on caution though and don`t publish, even if a driver stuck his fingers up at me I would never publish, they do a difficult job under difficult circumstances and I`ve always had a great respect for them.
You don’t need permission to rock up at any public place and start filming or taking photos unless it’s for commercial purposes. Please don’t perpetuate myths.
The section of the website you have linked to is speaking to commercial and professional film makers.
shredder1
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Thank goodness you don`t in the UK, of interest the Tyne and Wear Metro have a policy that only allows you to do this with prior written consent, even at enthusiast level for private collections, I`ve always wondered how they got this through since the network is publically funded and when the Glasgow Underground tried to introduce such a policy they received so much negative publicity that they immediately did a U-turn.
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