Could my video get a driver in trouble?

[Esker-pades]

I was filming at various stations in Norfolk today. At one point, having given a quick wave to the departing train, the driver of that train stuck his head and arms out of the cab window and pulled a silly face.
If I published this video, could this get the driver in trouble with his employer? Would obscuring his face work, or would they be able to work out who it was based on unit number, location, date etc.

I don't wish to get the driver in trouble or risk his job or anything.

(I can provide more exact information, provided it is held in the strictest confidence.)

 

[theking]

I defo think this could cause trouble for the driver.

Departing a station is one of the riskiest times for a train driver more so if it's doo.

Even if it's not a safety risk management would probably take a dim view as it's not professional to do.

 

[Esker-pades]

I defo think this could cause trouble for the driver.

Departing a station is one of the riskiest times for a train driver more so if it's doo.

Even if it's not a safety risk management would probably take a dim view as it's not professional to do.

Thank you for the reply.

Would you therefore recommend that I don't add that video to the compilation that I upload?

The service was not DOO.

(As an extra point of clarification, I do not know who this driver is, nor did I speak to him at any point or indeed ask him to do anything.)

 

[The_Train]

The driver clearly doesn't seem to think it will land him in trouble otherwise he wouldn't have done it, surely?

 

[farleigh]

You are doubting whether to publish it as you don't want to cause any trouble for him. Therefore the best thing to do is not to publish it or you will feel bad wondering if he got into trouble.

 

[bengley]

No, it wouldn't get the driver in trouble. We are allowed to stick our heads out of the window and there is nothing to say we can't make silly faces.

 

[Hadders]

Best not to publish it, Imo.

 

[Elecman]

Was there a signal or speed restriction board at the end or in the immediate vicinity of the platform? If so then that could well be frowned on as not paying attention

 

[theking]

No, it wouldn't get the driver in trouble. We are allowed to stick our heads out of the window and there is nothing to say we can't make silly faces.

And both hands off the controls leaving a station?

Wouldn't be looked at in a great light at my toc.

 

[Esker-pades]

And both hands off the controls leaving a station?

Wouldn't be looked at in a great light at my toc.

Both hands were outside the cab.

 

[PHILIPE]

I'd leave well alone and just keep out of it.

 

[Esker-pades]

Thanks all for your responses. I will keep the video private.

 

[najaB]

I was filming at various stations in Norfolk today. At one point, having given a quick wave to the departing train, the driver of that train stuck his head and arms out of the cab window and pulled a silly face.

Had the train started moving when he did it?

 

[driver_m]

If he had hold of a pint, giving you the finger, or smoking a rather large blunt then yes, but most managers would probably either smile or just roll their eyes. Either way though, it's just a moment for you and them. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[farleigh]

If he had hold of a pint, giving you the finger, or smoking a rather large blunt then yes, but most managers would probably either smile or just roll their eyes. Either way though, it's just a moment for you and them. I wouldn't worry about it.

My friend was a guard in the early nineties. He definitely did 1 and 2 on duty, not 3 to my knowledge. He can tell me stories (all of which I have heard before) that still shock me.
On topic - a wise choice to keep it private IMO

 

[Esker-pades]

Had the train started moving when he did it?

Yes. He did it as his train passed the camera.

 

[Trackman]

I saw a video about 2 days ago with the exact same thing. what struck me is that both hands were out of the window, and he did pull a face!
must be the same one?

 

[woodmally]

I was filming at various stations in Norfolk today. At one point, having given a quick wave to the departing train, the driver of that train stuck his head and arms out of the cab window and pulled a silly face.
If I published this video, could this get the driver in trouble with his employer? Would obscuring his face work, or would they be able to work out who it was based on unit number, location, date etc.

I don't wish to get the driver in trouble or risk his job or anything.

(I can provide more exact information, provided it is held in the strictest confidence.)

I would say without doing any research assume it would to be on the safe side. As it would potentially go viral and someone would object and take action. Better safe than sorry.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I would definitely not publish it myself, nor even upload as "private" the part in question.

If you can edit the video so it cuts off before he does that, it should not cause any problems - and indeed you have said he did it as he passed you, so presumably you have a long enough sequence prior to that point that you could stop it there without losing any substance?

 

[AlterEgo]

Just publish the video.

 

[Johncleesefan]

Pulling a silly face while departing? That’s just my resting face. I highly doubt you will get anyone in trouble for that don’t worry.

 

[najaB]

Yes. He did it as his train passed the camera.

I doubt it will cause any problems, but better to err on the side of caution and don't post it (or edit that part out).

 

[Timrud]

Post it up so we can check

 

[ComUtoR]

I drive with no hands regularly. I can't see much of an issue. Pulled a few faces myself too.

 

[whhistle]

I took a video of someone stealing something from a shop once.
I didn't inform the shop keeper as I didn't want to get the person in trouble.
It's the same thing, but I bet you would report it wouldn't you?

If YOU want to publish the video, go ahead.
Either the person will get in trouble (if it gets back to Managers), or they won't.

It reminds me of the photo of the FGW HST driver apparently reading a newspaper.
Either it's acceptable, or the person should face up to doing something they shouldn't have been doing. I'd rather someone lose their job than continue putting many lives at risk.

For added info, I see some drivers sticking their head out when stopping and departing. I don't care if they are or not as I trust they are operating their train in a safe manner.

 

[Johncleesefan]

Yes, looking back whilst departing is actually stated in the professional driving policy. It’s not compulsory but is advised to do so when possible.

 

[DarloRich]

it is entirely up to the OP if he wants to publish. Personally I don't see an issue.

giving you the finger

I have had a couple of drivers give me the finger. I returned it with a cheery four knuckle wrist wave.

 

[Dieseldriver]

I took a video of someone stealing something from a shop once.
I didn't inform the shop keeper as I didn't want to get the person in trouble.
It's the same thing, but I bet you would report it wouldn't you?

If YOU want to publish the video, go ahead.
Either the person will get in trouble (if it gets back to Managers), or they won't.

It reminds me of the photo of the FGW HST driver apparently reading a newspaper.
Either it's acceptable, or the person should face up to doing something they shouldn't have been doing. I'd rather someone lose their job than continue putting many lives at risk.

For added info, I see some drivers sticking their head out when stopping and departing. I don't care if they are or not as I trust they are operating their train in a safe manner.

I don't 100% agree with you. There have been many photographs sent into TOCs or even the media depicting a Driver 'apparently' doing something unsafe by someone acting in a malicious manner. There are so many times throughout my working day that I have done perfectly innocent things which, if someone had taken a snapshot of a microsecond of time, would have looked incriminating. Even blinking can make it appear that I am asleep at the controls, taking a glance at a timing sheet could appear as though I'm reading, reading a newspaper whilst stationary at a station/in a loop can be made out as though I was on the move
Staff are right to be anxious about how images could be used as to be honest, past situations have showed there are pathetic spineless, sub human worms out there happy to land innocent people in serious in trouble.
The most annoying thing I find on a freight train is jumping down to try and discretely have a wee (having no access to toilets for hours on end) to then realise someone is stood behind dome bushes just outside the boundary fence gawping at you or even taking photographs (no word of a lie). It's creepy and bang out of order.

 

[Esker-pades]

I took a video of someone stealing something from a shop once.
I didn't inform the shop keeper as I didn't want to get the person in trouble.
It's the same thing, but I bet you would report it wouldn't you?

If YOU want to publish the video, go ahead.
Either the person will get in trouble (if it gets back to Managers), or they won't.

It reminds me of the photo of the FGW HST driver apparently reading a newspaper.
Either it's acceptable, or the person should face up to doing something they shouldn't have been doing. I'd rather someone lose their job than continue putting many lives at risk.

For added info, I see some drivers sticking their head out when stopping and departing. I don't care if they are or not as I trust they are operating their train in a safe manner.

All sorts of problems I see with this.
1: In your scenario, a crime has actually taken place
2: I do not know if my published video will get the driver in trouble. It can easily be seen either as funny, or something worthy of a bollocking. I do not want the latter
3: Nothing bad happened
4: The response by user Dieseldriver above

 

[driver_m]

End of the day, the driver has seen you with a camera and still done what he's done. He obviously isnt worried about being on camera. So from your point of view, it's entirely up to you to decide what's best to do, and I very much doubt he'd get in any trouble. I actually commend you for seeking advice on what to do and being considerate to drivers in general.

The point I would make is for anyone else taking videos or pics of cabs. If the driver looks away or shuts the blind, then they're making it fairly obvious they dont want videoing and that should be respected. (Having had someone delibarately try and get a pic of me in the cab despite making it obvious I did t want to be in the pic, I hate having my pic took as a result)