Stagecoach East Scotland

[GaryMcEwan]

Ex-Manchester buses seem to be notably bad... lots of complaints at Stagecoach West about the enviro 200s they took on!

Pretty certain these two were previously Bluebird of Manchester before Stagecoach took over. Was almost rattled to death this morning it was that bad...

 

[overthewater]

There are, and there heeps

 

[GusB]

Anyone know what gearboxes are in those E300s that came from Manchester (27599 + 27600). 27599 this morning seemed to really struggle to get up to speed and sounded like it wouldn't get out of 3rd or 4th. I usually don't have anything bad to say about ADL but these ones are absolute hateful things to travel on...

I don't know for sure, and I'm happy to be corrected, but it sounds like it's probably a Voith.

 

[Mwanesh]

I think they are ZF Eco something let me check with mechanics

 

[overthewater]

On Friday one of those nice buses ex Manchester e300 operated the x56..

8 New coaches have turned up. Other 2 Will hopeful appear this week. But all 8 have yet to enter service, so the company is short and are using anything and everything on x27 x51 and x55. Deckers are being used on the x27.... The other 9 should be here penciled in for ealry on during scottish summer holls. It's been suggested it was a company down south.... Oxfordshire that wanted the other 9 of them but then went meh.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Everything seems to be going well apart from Strathtay service 30 - frequently running up to 30-40 minutes late...

There is also some controversy over stopping patterns on the X26 and X54 - particularly between Dundee and Glenrothes.

I think they are ZF Eco something let me check with mechanics

I believe they have Allison gearboxes.

 

[overthewater]

Isn't x26 limted stop and x54 all stops from cupar to Dundee.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

X26 is supposed to be limited stop - however, the Stagecoach website claims that it stops at most, if not all, stops in between Dundee and Glenrothes (like the X59 between St Andrews and Glenrothes).
X54 is only every stop between Dundee and Forgan Roundabout via Newport.
The Dundee Express Guide states that the X54 stops outside the Overgate on the Nethergate in Dundee, however, the Stagecoach website doesn't.

 

[overthewater]

I would suggest tweeting or emailing them about this. Hopeful they can clear this up.

 

[overthewater]

The three heading for Fife are to be used from St. Andrews, on route 94. They will be an interesting comparison to the new Mercedes minibuses bought by Moffat and Williamson.

At least with 94 it does go off route, but the 64 its fixed route but is that how Moffat and williamson won the tender get even smaller buses? Doesn't say much for the route does it...

 

[robertclark125]

The 64 serves a lot of rural places, and is partly duplicated by the 36 and 94, with the 94 providing quicker links between Ladybank and Cupar.

On the "Bus operators in the east Scotland" section on Facebook, there's a photo of two of the Mellor Strata bodied Mercedes minibuses for M&W. I should also add, in the comments below the photo, there's also some speculation about who actually bought the vehicles.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

The 64 serves a lot of rural places, and is partly duplicated by the 36 and 94, with the 94 providing quicker links between Ladybank and Cupar.

On the "Bus operators in the east Scotland" section on Facebook, there's a photo of two of the Mellor Strata bodied Mercedes minibuses for M&W. I should also add, in the comments below the photo, there's also some speculation about who actually bought the vehicles.

Seen on Tuesday on the 1235 31 to Fowlis; LM18 DZA. LM18 DZB is the other one.

 

[overthewater]

Are new timetables out? Angus council have been awful in this respect or telling people the changes.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Only through Traveline or bustimes.org. But the timetables have mainly remained the same.

There are now no Angus Council bus timetables in production and the bus stop timetables haven't been updated in Monifieth to show the withdrawal of the 1839 73B and the others being changed to Xplore Dundee.

 

[overthewater]

That council is getting worse, so I take it the only new timetables made are the montrose area by Stagecoach?

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

Correct. Same for P&K Council for services 19 (split with DMC) and 57/59 (Xplore evening weekend runs).

The 73 timetable hasn't been updated with the Xplore journeys yet

 

[overthewater]

You would think M&W would make a new timetable, I think there only got printer copies of the 77B. Maybe in August

West Fife is now being looked at for retending for next August, with the review ending at the end of June and all data looked at shortly afterward.

The bus services that are currently subsidised or partly subsidised in South Fife are: 3/3A, 4B, 4C, 5, 5A, F6, 7D, 8, 8B, 17A, 17B, 20A, 28, 33B, 71, 81, 83, 87, 88, 89/89A.

Interesting, no mention of 85 or 86....

 

[Fifescottish]

Anybody ever use the 85 or 86?

 

[overthewater]

Anybody ever use the 85 or 86?

85 is becoming popular, 86 well its strange, it does carry some passengers but it operated behide the other services to Saline 5-10mins later.... bonkers.

 

[Fifescottish]

I just wish they would bring the 1 back!

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/east-scotland/service-change-proposals

Service changes from Monday 13 August
We are currently reviewing our bus services, mainly in North East Fife with plans to make changes from from Monday 13 August. These changes are largely as a result of a recent re-tendering exercise by Fife Council for subsidised services. We will also take the opportunity to make some adjustments to services following feedback on the changes made in May 2018 and to address a number of customer requests received over the past few months.


A summary of the proposed changes is given below. Please note these are subject to change:


Fife Area

Service 3/3A: Townhill – Dunfermline – Duloch Park


Proposal: Minor changes to late afternoon/early evening journeys serving Amazon, to give a better balance of journeys serving Pitcorthie and Abbeyview in the evening peak.

Service 7A: Kirkcaldy – Leven


Proposal: Revised timetable maintaining the current 30 min frequency. The 0636 7A journey will be retimed to depart at 0630 to allow connection on 0650 service 97. This is in order to further improve coordination with services in the Levenmouth area, building on improvements introduced in May. Buses will run up to every 10 minutes between Leven and Muiredge using a combined frequency of services 7/7A and 9/9A. Between East Wemyss and Kirkcaldy, journeys will run every 15 minutes on the 7/7A.

Service 9/9A: Methilhill – Leven – Kennoway – Denhead/Bonnybank


Proposal: Revised timetable maintaining the current 30 min frequency, to further improve coordination with services in the Levenmouth area, building on improvements introduced in May. Buses will run up to every 10 minutes between Leven and Muiredge using a combined frequency of services 7/7A and 9/9A.

Service 11/12: Kirkcaldy – Templehall – Fife Central Retail Park


Proposal: Revised route and timetable with Ferrard Road Aldi served by services 11 and 12 in one direction only, instead of both directions, to address reliability problems. Service 11 will serve Ferrard Road heading towards the retail park and service 12 will serve Ferrard Road heading to the bus station. This change will save a few minutes which can redistributed through the timetable.

Service 19/19A/19B/19D: Rosyth – Dunfermline – Halbeath P&R – Cowdenbeath – Ballingry


Proposal: Minor revisions to afternoon journeys serving Rosyth Dockyard. The 1712 19D journey from Rosyth Dockyard will be revised to run as service 19B departing Hilton Road at 1717. The 1732 19B journey from Hilton Road will be revised to run as service 19D from Rosyth Dockyard. This is due to requests by Rosyth Dockyard workers to give a later departure.

Service 24: St Andrews – Cupar – Glenrothes (part of service X24 timetable)


Proposal: Due to Fife Council tender changes, the Monday to Friday 0510 St Andrews to Glenrothes journey will be replaced by a new 0453 journey to Cupar, connecting with the existing 0517 journey from Cupar. An additional journey from St Andrews to Glenrothes will run at 0555. The Saturday 0510 St Andrews to Glenrothes journey will be withdrawn.

Service 28: QM Hospital – Dunfermline – Saline – High Valleyfield – Falkirk


Proposal: To provide an earlier journey into Dunfermline as requested by Fife Council, we plan to introduce a new journey from Wellwood at 0616 arriving in Dunfermline at 0621.

Service 41/41A/41B/41C: Kirkcaldy/Leven – Kennoway – Leven


Proposal: Due to this Fife Council contract ending, we plan to introduce a new 1839 Leven to Cupar 41B journey. The daytime 41B & 41C journeys will no longer be operated by Stagecoach and will be run by Moffat & Williamson.

Service 42/42B: St Andrews – Tayport – Dundee


Proposal: To improve reliability, we will revise the route in Dundee city centre to run via Commercial Street and Seagate instead of using the bus station. This change will save a few minutes which can redistributed through the timetable.

Service 43/44: Glenrothes Whitehill – Markinch – Windygates – Leven


Proposal: To give a better service in the morning and afternoon, the timetable will be enhanced to remove most of the schoolday variations giving a more consistent frequency across the day.

Service 47: Buckhaven – Aberhill – Leven – Mountfleurie


Proposal: Due to this Fife Council contract ending, this service will be withdrawn and incorporated into the new 41B timetable, operated by Moffat & Williamson.

Service 64: Leven – Largoward – St Andrews


Proposal: Stagecoach will no longer run this service and it will now be operated by Moffat & Williamson.

Service 68: Cupar town service


Proposal: Stagecoach will no longer run this service and it will now be operated by Moffat & Williamson.

Service 77/77B: Dundee – Wormit & Gauldry


Proposal: To improve reliability, this route will be revised in Dundee city centre to run via Commercial Street and Seagate instead of using the bus station. This change will save a few minutes which can redistributed through the timetable.

Service 94/94A/94X: Dundee – Wormit & Gauldry


Proposal: Due to Fife Council tender changes, this timetable will be revised, mainly around early morning and late evening times. The extension of one journey to/from Abernethy will be discontinued.

Service 95: Leven – Anstruther – St Andrews


Proposal: Due to Fife Council tender changes, additional Sunday journeys at 0650 Leven to St Andrews and 0810 Anstruther to Leven will be introduced.

Service 97: Leven – Upper Largo – St Andrews


Proposal: To accommodate other changes on the network, we plan to Withdraw the following journeys: 0625 St Andrews to Leven Monday to Friday and 0755 Leven to St Andrews Sunday which will be replaced by new journey on 95 Sunday only. We also plan to retime the 0855 Leven to St Andrews Monday to Friday journey to depart at 0910.

Service 99/99A/99B/99C/99D: St Andrews – Leuchars – Dundee


Proposal: To match growing demand on this busy and popular service, we plan to increase daytime frequency to every 7-8 minutes Monday to Saturday. No change to the Sunday timetable or N99 journeys.

Service 747: Halbeath P&R – Inverkeithing – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh Airport


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, there will be minor timetable changes to redistribute running time between Inverkeithing and Edinburgh Airport. No change to service frequency.

Services X4: Leven – Glenrothes


Proposal: To provide an earlier arrival into Leven from Glenrothes for those starting work at 0715-0730, we will add a new 0642 Glenrothes to Leven Monday to Friday journey.

Service X54: Dundee – Cupar – Glenrothes – Halbeath P&R – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.

Services X55: Dunfermline – Rosyth – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.

Service X56: Perth – Kinross – Kelty – Halbeath P&R – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.

Service X58/X60: St Andrews – Leven – Kirkcaldy – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.

Service X59: St Andrews – Cupar – Glenrothes – Halbeath P&R – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.

Fife school services


The following services will have minor retimings to match revised school start/finish times for the new term:
CG1, DF12, SC2, SC3, SC5, SC7, SC8, SC9, SC10, SC11



Perth & Blairgowrie area


Service 1: City Centre – Letham & Tulloch


Proposal: To meet customer requests for an earlier arrival in Perth city centre for those starting work at 0600 (journey will arrive Mill Street at 0555 instead of 0603 as now), the 0530 Monday to Friday journey from Mill Street will be revised to depart at 0522.

Service 14: Perth – Almondbank - Pitcairngreen


Proposal: The route will be revised to omit Rose Crescent. Route will serve Jeanfield Road – Riggs Road – Glasgow Road heading towards the city, and the reverse towards Pitcairngreen.

Service 15/15A: Perth – Crieff – Comrie – St Fillans/Stirling


Proposal: In response to complaints from residents asking that the bus service be withdrawn from their street, we will remove journeys from Tay Avenue, Comrie.

Service 34: Perth – Spittalfield – Blairgowrie


Proposal: Due to requests from Perth & Kinross Council, we will discontinue the service 34B variation via Essendy Bridge and run these journeys as service 34 via Meikleour.

Service 57: Dundee – Blairgowrie – Perth


Proposal: Minor timetable revisions to accommodate revised school transport requirements for the new term. The 0843 Rattray to Blairgowrie High School schooldays only journey will be revised to start from Wellmeadow and will additionally serve Blairgowrie Community Campus. The 1442 Blairgowrie to Perth schooldays only journey revised to depart 5 mins earlier at 1437.

Service 58: Blairgowrie - Guildtown - Perth


Proposal: Due to requests from Perth & Kinross Council, we will add extra journeys: 0915 Blairgowrie – Perth on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday, additional 1410 Perth – Blairgowrie on a Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday. 1342 departing Blairgowrie now finished at Perth Bus Station instead of the PRI Monday – Saturday. 1745 departure from Perth – Blairgowrie now departs at 1740 Monday – Friday.

Service 59: Dundee – Coupar Angus – Blairgowrie


Proposal: Minor timetable revisions to accommodate revised school transport requirements for the new term. The 0843 Blairgowrie to Dundee via Blairgowrie Community Campus journey will no longer serve the community campus and will depart Wellmeadow at 0845 every day. Revised service 57 provides alternative links to the community campus at this time.

Service X56: Perth – Kinross – Kelty – Halbeath P&R – Ferrytoll P&R – Edinburgh


Proposal: To better reflect current journey times and speeds following completion of the Queensferry Crossing, the timetable will be revised with adjustments to running times between Ferrytoll P&R and Edinburgh.



Dundee & Angus area


Service 30: Edzell – Brechin – Montrose – Arbroath


Proposal: To improve reliability, the route and timetable will be revised in Arbroath to serve Cliffburn, Great Michael Road

Service 39: Arbroath – Dundee – Perth


Proposal: To improve reliability, the eastbound route in Dundee city centre will be revised to run via Lower Princes Street instead of Victoria Road.

 

[Fifescottish]

Talk about playing about with things too much. No wonder people get confused these days!

 

[overthewater]

Talk about playing about with things too much. No wonder people get confused these days!

To be fair most are all linked to council tenders, while the bus company now has the proper data to better reflect the actually improved jounrey times over the Forth.

 

[overthewater]

Tenth new Panther LE has turn up, thus the original first order are all here.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Has there been more fleet movements from Fife and Strathtay over to Perth recently? Noticed 19665 this morning on one of the Perth local services and I'm seeing more and more of 04 plated Tridents pop up on the 15A runs to Stirling.

 

[RomeoCharlie71]

26112 and 26115 are now in service at St. Andrews depot.

 

[overthewater]

26112 and 26115 are now in service at St. Andrews depot.

When will the rest turn up? will new branding appear? Big question to follow.

Also a new service 93 has appeared:
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/promos-and-offers/east-scotland/service-93-secret-bunker

Visit Scotland's Secret Bunker by bus
Come and visit Scotland's Secret Bunker by bus and discover the twilight world of the Government Cold War. This amazing labyrinth lies 100 feet below ground and is encased in 15 feet of reinforced concrete, and is where military commanders would have run the country had nuclear war broken out!

Get here by bus:
Travelling to Scotland's Secret Bunker has never been so easy! From Monday 2 July until Saturday 11 August 2018, we are providing a dedicated route to the historic site. The Bunker is located near Anstruther, approx 7 miles from St Andrews. Connect at Leven and St Andrews bus stations and hop on the brand new 93 Service from Monday to Saturday. Download the new 93 timetable and plan your day out with the family!

Great value tickets!


St Andrews - Secret Bunker

Adult Single: £4.50 Return: £8.10

Child Single: £2.30 Return: £4.10

Or get unlimited travel all day around St Andrews and as far as The Secret Bunker with a St Andrews dayrider+ ticket. Group tickets are also available.

St Andrews dayrider+ Adult: £6.80

St Andrews dayrider+ Group: £13.60



Leven - Secret Bunker
Adult Single: £6.50 Return: £11.70

Child Single: £3.30 Return: £5.90

Or get unlimited travel all day across Fife with a Fife dayrider ticket. Group tickets are also available.

Fife dayrider Adult: £9.10

Fife dayrider Child: £4.70

Fife dayrider Group: £18.20



You can buy single fares and dayrider tickets from the driver, or buy your dayrider ticket using the Stagecoach Bus app.

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Should buses without ramps be allowed to be service? The only reason I ask is that Perth's 18114 and 18115 don't have ramps.

Doesn't that go against the new regulations that were brought in?

 

[overthewater]

Should buses without ramps be allowed to be service? The only reason I ask is that Perth's 18114 and 18115 don't have ramps.

Doesn't that go against the new regulations that were brought in?

Don't both buses have ramps stored inside the bus to be taken out when required?

Also It in a bid to solve the lack of coaches at Glenrothes depot, 59 plate 54069 has come back into service. So no more deckers on the X26 Aberhill is still short mind you...

 

[GaryMcEwan]

Don't both buses have ramps stored inside the bus to be taken out when required?

Also It in a bid to solve the lack of coaches at Glenrothes depot, 59 plate 54069 has come back into service. So no more deckers on the X26 Aberhill is still short mind you...

I know that 18014 and 18015 have the ramps stored inside, but I can't say that for 18114 and 18115.