GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

D1009 · 21 Apr 2018

I predict they will out accelerate an 802. Hopefully in a few months I will find out whether this is true.

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Warwick · 21 Apr 2018

I wonder if the timetable will be speeded up following the introduction of these fast-accelerating sets with their power operated doors. Given GWR's casual approach to station working west of Plymouth I'm not holding my breath.

richw · 21 Apr 2018

Warwick said:
I wonder if the timetable will be speeded up following the introduction of these fast-accelerating sets with their power operated doors. Given GWR's casual approach to station working west of Plymouth I'm not holding my breath.

They are timetabled to 150/3/8 timings, rather than HST timings which are slower.

Masbroughlad · 23 Apr 2018

Will they/can they ever be used on any of the Cornish branches?

jimm · 23 Apr 2018

Going to Newquay won't be a problem and HSTs can get to Falmouth as well - but in the normal course of things, their work will be on the main line.

richw · 23 Apr 2018

jimm said:
Going to Newquay won't be a problem and HSTs can get to Falmouth as well - but in the normal course of things, their work will be on the main line.

They won’t run to Falmouth in normal service. There’s a lower speed limit for HSTs, and max 3 carriage for the stations. At Falmouth town max 2 carriages. Falmouth docks can take 3 of which on a HST the first will be a power car.

Warwick · 23 Apr 2018

richw said:
They are timetabled to 150/3/8 timings, rather than HST timings which are slower.

I thought as much. I've just done some "back of a fag packet" calculations using figures from wikepedia. Averaging the weight of a 150/153/158 as well as the installed HP of the same gives an average six car train a total weight of 231 tons and an HP of 1,900 giving a power-to-weight ratio of just over 8 HP per ton.
The six vehicles of a four coach HST weigh 246 ton and have an HP of 4,500 hp giving a power-to-weight ration of just over 18 HP per ton.
Well over twice the power yet running to the same times. What a wasted opportunity to improve journey times.

richw · 23 Apr 2018

I had my first trip on it last week, and the acceleration was noticeable quick. It also found itself waiting time at stations.

I don’t think they’ll improve journey times until a larger fleet is available as it needs a 150 or 153 to cover it in unavailability at the moment

Warwick · 23 Apr 2018

richw said:
I had my first trip on it last week, and the acceleration was noticeable quick. It also found itself waiting time at stations.

I don’t think they’ll improve journey times until a larger fleet is available as it needs a 150 or 153 to cover it in unavailability at the moment

I should have made my post clearer in that I was asking/suggesting of a situation when all of the HSTGTi sets are in service. Sorry.

159220 · 23 Apr 2018

There seems to be a few poster's in this thread who might have direct knowledge. What is the RAL paint code for GWR door colour? I was lead to believe it is RAL 9006 Aluminium White, yet this appears way to silvery. Thanks in advance.

pdeaves · 24 Apr 2018

159220 said:
There seems to be a few poster's in this thread who might have direct knowledge. What is the RAL paint code for GWR door colour? I was lead to believe it is RAL 9006 Aluminium White, yet this appears way to silvery. Thanks in advance.

Official variants are RAL 9006 ‘white aluminium’ or RAL 9007 ‘grey aluminium’.

AnthonyRail · 3 May 2018

Does anyone know if the short set is out 2moro? Around Plymouth?.. 4th May

83G/84D · 14 May 2018

Due to the failure of the 2+4 HST at Laira yesterday there was no set for the 0600 Penzance to Exeter St David’s this morning.

However it seems that Exeter depot has come to the rescue as the 0600 from Penzance will start from Liskeard formed of 143621!

PHILIPE · 14 May 2018

83G/84D said:
Due to the failure of the 2+4 HST at Laira yesterday there was no set for the 0600 Penzance to Exeter St David’s this morning.

However it seems that Exeter depot has come to the rescue as the 0600 from Penzance will start from Liskeard formed of 143621!

Started Par

83G/84D · 14 May 2018

It has stayed on the diagram and is now working the 0924 Exeter St David’s to Penzance.

PHILIPE · 14 May 2018

83G/84D said:
It has stayed on the diagram and is now working the 0924 Exeter St David’s to Penzance.

Looks as though it will change at Plymouth as CIS showing 4 coaches forward from there

MatthewRead · 14 May 2018

How long till the next set enters service may I ask?

61653 HTAFC · 14 May 2018

83G/84D said:
It has stayed on the diagram and is now working the 0924 Exeter St David’s to Penzance.

That'll be fun on a 143! Beats my record of Taunton to Newport.

PHILIPE · 14 May 2018

MatthewRead said:
How long till the next set enters service may I ask?

Have seen September quoted. They are modifying Scotrail and XCs first.

PHILIPE · 14 May 2018

61653 HTAFC said:
That'll be fun on a 143! Beats my record of Taunton to Newport.

Only to Plymouth as posted above. HST fixed

Goldfish62 · 14 May 2018

PHILIPE said:
Started Par

Must be the first Pacer in Cornwall for decades!

iantherev · 14 May 2018

Goldfish62 said:
Must be the first Pacer in Cornwall for decades!

I seem to recall that 143611 made it to Penzance one Sunday last year.

Goldfish62 · 14 May 2018

iantherev said:
I seem to recall that 143611 made it to Penzance one Sunday last year.

Thanks. I didn't know that.

Parallel · 14 May 2018

A 4-car 143 formation made it to Penzance in recent years. Can’t remember the second unit. Originally due to go to Paignton but there were signalling problems at Newton Abbot so it was decided to send them to Penzance and back!

The only ‘rare’ route I’ve done on a GWR Pacer was between Westbury and Taunton.

Apologies for going off-topic.

59CosG95 · 14 May 2018

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97514/2018/05/14/advanced This should be 43004 & 43042 returning from their "spa break" at Doncaster Works; both are now in GWR Green. Headcode's 0V84 if any of you night owls want to pop out for it.

Parallel · 15 May 2018

JourneyCheck this morning reporting 06:00 Penzance to Exeter St David’s starting from Par again today with 2 vice 4 coaches due to a shortage of train drivers. Another 143?

richw · 15 May 2018

iantherev said:
I seem to recall that 143611 made it to Penzance one Sunday last year.

It may even have been more recent than that. There have been a couple of occasions since I’ve been in Liskeard.

PHILIPE · 15 May 2018

59CosG95 said:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O97514/2018/05/14/advanced This should be 43004 & 43042 returning from their "spa break" at Doncaster Works; both are now in GWR Green. Headcode's 0V84 if any of you night owls want to pop out for it.

Parallel said:
JourneyCheck this morning reporting 06:00 Penzance to Exeter St David’s starting from Par again today with 2 vice 4 coaches due to a shortage of train drivers. Another 143?

Yes, it was

Masbroughlad · 15 May 2018

Can they operate in multiple?

swt_passenger · 15 May 2018

Masboroughlad said:
Can they operate in multiple?

Without couplers?

GWR operating short 'HSTGTi' sets (see diagrams section for workings)

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