Greater Anglia Class 755s (Regional Trains)

[dk1]

Leaving just London-Norwich. Certainly the 170s never seem to be well used in First from what I understand.

That accommodation is for us staff

Anglia Railways where very OTT on customer service.

 

[hexagon789]

That accommodation is for us staff

Same as ScotRail then?

Anglia Railways where very OTT on customer service.

And First Class provision

 

[trebor79]

Anglia Railways where very OTT on customer service.

Maybe, but the restaurant on the Norwich - London route was a fabulous way to have breakfast!
Must better than a soggy cardboard tasting bacon roll or pot of instant porridge made with water.

Restaurant was usually well patronised too. It was a real shame it disappeared.

 

[hexagon789]

Maybe, but the restaurant on the Norwich - London route was a fabulous way to have breakfast!
Must better than a soggy cardboard tasting bacon roll or pot of instant porridge made with water.

Restaurant was usually well patronised too. It was a real shame it disappeared.

The restaurant service sounded very good from what I hear but having 30 First Class seats in the 3-car 170s seemed a bit excessive.

 

[dk1]

The restaurant service sounded very good from what I hear but having 30 First Class seats in the 3-car 170s seemed a bit excessive.

It was but I think you'll find it was again the seating issue on the mainline 170s was a franchise commitment or as specified by the then DfT.

The restaurant of course was superb but was so heavy on the staffing & waste. It was rumoured to be coming close to covering costs but I'm not so sure.

 

[hexagon789]

It was but I think you'll find it was again a franchise commitment or as specified by the then DfT.

The restaurant of course was superb but was so heavy on the staffing & waste. It was rumoured to be coming close to covering costs but I'm not so sure.

Didn't realise the DfT specified the heavy First Class provision on the 170s.

 

[dk1]

Didn't realise the DfT specified the heavy First Class provision on the 170s.

Lost in the passage of time now but lots of interference similar to now as they where working along side the IC sets on the main line. The buffet bar was also insisted upon on 201-208.

 

[hexagon789]

Lost in the passage of time now but lots of interference similar to now as they where working along side the IC sets on the main line. The buffet bar was also insisted upon on 201-208.

It's a bit off-topic but what was the point in the buffet-bars against just trolleys?

To keep it a bit on topic, why are the new London-Norwich Flirts keeping a buffet when the IEPs on GWR aren't, it struck me as odd as London-Norwich is broadly the same journey time as London-Britstol?

 

[trebor79]

I think the better question is why have the IEPs not got buffets?
I travelled on one a few weeks ago. Nice train for the most part but the trolley came through once and there seemed to be a lot people wandering up and down the train looking for it.
Trolleys are also a nuisance as they always seem to come through and spend an age dispensing luke warm coffee and "tea" made with hot water just when I'm trying to make my way to the buffet or bogs!

 

[dk1]

It's a bit off-topic but what was the point in the buffet-bars against just trolleys?

To keep it a bit on topic, why are the new London-Norwich Flirts keeping a buffet when the IEPs on GWR aren't, it struck me as odd as London-Norwich is broadly the same journey time as London-Britstol?

You could say the same about Kings Cross-Lincoln or even Leeds. Again Anglia was rather OTT on customer stuff & looked upon itself as a mini GNER. Oddly enough even though trolley catering was used on the Norwich-Cambridge 170s it hasn't been permitted on the class in East Anglia for the last 10yrs or more due to H&S risks with the vestibule levels.

 

[hexagon789]

Oddly enough even though trolley catering was used on the Norwich-Cambridge 170s it hasn't been permitted on the class in East Anglia for the last 10yrs or more due to H&S risks with the vestibule levels.

That's bizarre considering XC and ScotRail seem to have no issues.

 

[dk1]

That's bizarre considering XC and ScotRail seem to have no issues.

They must have differing types or guidelines. We also provide no catering trolley on 321s vice IC sets unless they provide an additional catering member as no secure storage & guards will quite rightly not take any responsibility for it.

 

[hexagon789]

They must have differing types or guidelines. We also provide no catering trolley on 321s vice IC sets unless they provide an additional catering member as no secure storage & guards will quite rightly not take any responsibility for it.

What about when 170s sub for 90s+Mk3s?

 

[dk1]

What about when 170s sub for 90s+Mk3s?

That is very very rare nowadays as so pushed for diesel stock & you'd be lucky to get a static trolley in even one unit.

 

[hexagon789]

That is very very rare nowadays as so pushed for diesel stock & you'd be lucky to get a static trolley in even one unit.

Okay, thank you for all the replies.

 

[dk1]

Okay, thank you for all the replies.

Most welcome

 

[Railperf]

Does anyone know if the 745/0's will be capable of 110mph? As there were plans to upgrade parts of the GEML to 110mph (assuming that means most of the current 100mph sections.)

 

[hexagon789]

Does anyone know if the 745/0's will be capable of 110mph? As there were plans to upgrade parts of the GEML to 110mph (assuming that means most of the current 100mph sections.)

100 mph is the quoted maximum for all the Greater Anglia Flirts.

 

[samuelmorris]

I'm sure I read it was going to be 125 at one stage (the line speed, not the units) The Flirt product is capable of it, I imagine the 745s could easily do it but unless that line speed upgrade goes ahead, no point in doing it - I haven't heard anything to suggest it is.

 

[dk1]

Does anyone know if the 745/0's will be capable of 110mph? As there were plans to upgrade parts of the GEML to 110mph (assuming that means most of the current 100mph sections.)

They will be 110mph capable but as yet there are no definite plans to raise the GEML above 100.

 

[captainbigun]

I’d sooner NR were capable of maintaining what they’ve already got. I can’t see, certainly before ECTs becomes common place, any way you’d raise the limits on the majority of the route. The incremental limit would cost a fortune and in reality offer very little in time saving. Can’t see it ever happening. NR haven’t a pot to piss in.

NR will be more concerned about the weighty new trains that are going to provide a new challenge to the already tattered infrastructure.

 

[Railperf]

Why should they be weighty? I am sure they are much lighter than most other stock - hence the ability to run on articulated bogies and accelerate much quicker to linespeed consuming less energy in the process. Tbe axle weight must be similar to other emus. No other country posts a lower unit speed limit due to weight issues.

 

[captainbigun]

Then you're in for a surprise. The motor coach is going to be super heavy on the Stadler units, heading toward loco heavy, and with track access charges to suit.

 

[Railperf]

The Italian Valle D'Aosta units have a maximum axle load of 18Tonnes..which doesn't sound too heavy. TGV axle load is 17t in comparison.

http://railcolornews.com/2017/06/16/it-official-presentation-hybrid-flirt-for-valle-daosta/

 

[captainbigun]

As I said, heading toward loco heavy. A Bo-Bo AC Loco will be 80 tonnes give or take.

For comparison, Class 360.
45.0t (DMCOA), 43.0t (PTSO), 35.0t (TSO), 45.0t (DMCOB)

 

[Railperf]

Not quite, the diesel motor module sits on articulated bogies at both ends..so 36t max. If the axle load is 18t

 

[MisterT]

So that would be axle load category B. Is even that much weight such a problem in the UK?
In the Netherlands, only a few lines have category C2 as a maximum (20t), and most lines are D4 (22.5t). Category B doesn't even exist anymore here.

 

[87015]

The Italian Valle D'Aosta units have a maximum axle load of 18Tonnes..which doesn't sound too heavy. TGV axle load is 17t in comparison.

http://railcolornews.com/2017/06/16/it-official-presentation-hybrid-flirt-for-valle-daosta/

18 tonnes is incredibly heavy for a unit - 185s are 18.5 according to wiki and at least they weren’t designed for lightweight rural lines! A 172 is around ten for comparison of what a DMU should be nearer.

 

[Bletchleyite]

18 tonnes is incredibly heavy for a unit - 185s are 18.5 according to wiki and at least they weren’t designed for lightweight rural lines! A 172 is around ten for comparison of what a DMU should be nearer.

But a FLIRT isn't really a DMU, it's LHCS with the loco being a weird short thing in the middle. So instead of having all axles with about a 10 tonne load, it'll have two axles with 18 tonnes and four (for a 2-car unit) with far less than that.

 

[43096]

But a FLIRT isn't really a DMU, it's LHCS with the loco being a weird short thing in the middle. So instead of having all axles with about a 10 tonne load, it'll have two axles with 18 tonnes and four (for a 2-car unit) with far less than that.

And on top of that it's electro-diesel - which by their very nature are overweight EMUs as they have to lug around the extra weight of engines, coolers, fuel etc.