91119: Returns to service and in Swallow livery too!

[43367]

I was chatting to a driver yesterday who mentioned that during the recent very cold weather, VTEC loco 91119, somewhat overheated and suffered a severe internal fire, resulting in most of the electrical equipment melting and casting very real doubts if it will ever run again, Well under VTEC anyway.
Apparently most of the internal electrical equipment is damaged and would require a complete, costly rebuild, and the loco at the moment is just literally a shell.
The loco is currently at Wabtec, Doncaster for assessment.
The repairs will be very costly and with some of the fleet due to be withdrawn next year the repairs are unlikely to be sanctioned, although I believe there will be an additional class 90 coming in to cover, will just need some smart work by the Rolling Stock Controllers, to keep the 90's on Leeds/Newark runs

 

[a_c_skinner]

Time to rent another 125 set?

 

[pdeaves]

the loco at the moment is just literally a shell.

Just right for plonking in a diesel power unit!

 

[NSEFAN]

Time to rent another 125 set?

Surely it'd just be easier to keep hiring class 90s?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

If only the flying badger was still operational!

 

[xotGD]

Freightliner will soon not be hiring 90s our for the Sleepers. Happy to see them on VTEC services.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Surely it'd just be easier to keep hiring class 90s?

I think the 90s plus Mk 4s have trouble with keeping time. I think they accelerate better but are limited to 110 MPH, hence the need to keep them on Leeds and Newarks, and I assume the 125s would keep up better but be more expensive. So it looks like 90s then!

Anyhow this may all be rumour. Well it is rumour, it may be wrong.

 

[hexagon789]

I think the 90s plus Mk 4s have trouble with keeping time. I think they accelerate better but are limited to 110 MPH, hence the need to keep them on Leeds and Newarks, and I assume the 125s would keep up better but be more expensive. So it looks like 90s then!

Anyhow this may all be rumour. Well it is rumour, it may be wrong.

The 90s do indeed lose time, usually a good 5-10 mins on Leeds or Newark services. While they are quicker off the mark, being limited to 110 mph does pose it's problems.

HSTs, if available, would be the better choice timekeeping wise.

 

[XCTurbostar]

So now it really is just an empty coke can

 

[61653 HTAFC]

By the way, isn't there a particular 91 earmarked for the National Collection? Pretty sure it is won't be the one in question anyway as there's nothing significant about it that jumps out.

 

[gazthomas]

By the way, isn't there a particular 91 earmarked for the National Collection? Pretty sure it is won't be the one in question anyway as there's nothing significant about it that jumps out.

91111 "For the Fallen" - article in Rail:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/f...-fallen-91-designated-for-national-collection

 

[hexagon789]

So now it really is just an empty coke can

I like the analogy, it's a shame that she'll likely remain like that though.

 

[D365]

91111 "For the Fallen" - article in Rail:

In addition to 91131.

 

[43096]

Time to rent another 125 set?

Where from?

 

[Halish Railway]

Are 90's cleared for Skipton and Bradford?- The 91's weren't cleared immediately after electrification.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

91111 "For the Fallen" - article in Rail:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/f...-fallen-91-designated-for-national-collection

In addition to 91131.

Thanks, both.

What's the reasoning behind 031 being "listed"? Last-built?

 

[a_c_skinner]

Where from?

(of me suggesting renting a 125)...

I thought there were some coming through from GWR, which is why I suggested it. Plenty of people trained on them at VTEC I assume

 

[cactustwirly]

Time to rent another 125 set?

From where?

EMT isn't just a HST tree for VTEC!
The latest loans have led to a number of 5 vice 8 short formations.

 

[43096]

91111 "For the Fallen" - article in Rail:

https://www.railmagazine.com/news/f...-fallen-91-designated-for-national-collection

The Rail report is (unsurprisingly) incorrect. The actual designation reads "Nameplates, vinyls and power car number 91111 "For the Fallen". Vinyl wrap designed by Paul Gentleman."

The designation listing is here: https://group.sciencemuseum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/RHDAB-Designated-Items.pdf

I'll make no comment on this, other than to point out the comments in the Rail article and question as to how you preserve a set of vinyls.

 

[gazthomas]

The Rail report is (unsurprisingly) incorrect. The actual designation reads "Nameplates, vinyls and power car number 91111 "For the Fallen". Vinyl wrap designed by Paul Gentleman."

The designation listing is here: https://group.sciencemuseum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/RHDAB-Designated-Items.pdf

I'll make no comment on this, other than to point out the comments in the Rail article and question as to how you preserve a set of vinyls.

As you say, that will be quite an achievement!

 

[43096]

(of me suggesting renting a 125)...

I thought there were some coming through from GWR, which is why I suggested it. Plenty of people trained on them at VTEC I assume

Whilst there are trailers coming spare currently, you need power cars to power them, and none of those will become available for another 6 months or so - those being released before then are either for ScotRail or the GWR 2+4 set. As an example of this, one of the power cars which will become available (and no future home) is 43156 - it is assigned for a G exam (the heaviest exam given to HST power cars) at Laira shortly. There's no issue with crews on VTEC with HSTs, AFAIAA all VTEC crews sign HSTs.

In reality the easiest fix (for now at least) is to hire another Class 90, although they have limitations in terms of crew knowledge and maximum speed that restrict their operating sphere.

 

[Bertie the bus]

The Rail report is (unsurprisingly) incorrect. The actual designation reads "Nameplates, vinyls and power car number 91111 "For the Fallen". Vinyl wrap designed by Paul Gentleman."

The designation listing is here: https://group.sciencemuseum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/RHDAB-Designated-Items.pdf

I'll make no comment on this, other than to point out the comments in the Rail article and question as to how you preserve a set of vinyls.

I would suggest RAIL is correct. Power car number 91111 almost certainly refers to the locomotive itself, not the number on the locomotive. So the designation is for 91111 in its current livery.

 

[Ianno87]

The Rail report is (unsurprisingly) incorrect. The actual designation reads "Nameplates, vinyls and power car number 91111 "For the Fallen". Vinyl wrap designed by Paul Gentleman."

The designation listing is here: https://group.sciencemuseum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/RHDAB-Designated-Items.pdf

I'll make no comment on this, other than to point out the comments in the Rail article and question as to how you preserve a set of vinyls.

Which 91 held the UK speed record (until beaten by a 373)? Would that not be the "obvious" one to save for the national collection?

 

[pdeaves]

The Rail report is (unsurprisingly) incorrect. The actual designation reads "Nameplates, vinyls and power car number 91111 "For the Fallen". Vinyl wrap designed by Paul Gentleman."

The designation listing is here: https://group.sciencemuseum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/RHDAB-Designated-Items.pdf

I'll make no comment on this, other than to point out the comments in the Rail article and question as to how you preserve a set of vinyls.

Note that is specifically says "and power car number 91111" so I don't think one can legitimately criticise the Rail item (not for this issue, anyway).

...
Oh, as Bertie the bus says.

 

[twpsaesneg]

I've searched the forums and can't see an authoritative answer - would 67s + mk4 set be able to run at 125mph timings?
There seems to be much mutterings of limiting speeds of 100 or 110 but is this accurate and why?

Having been checked by a pesky slow 90 this evening, a 125mph capable solution would be nice!

(Has anyone rung the ACLG to see how Avocet's restoration is going...? )

 

[cjmillsnun]

Where from?

There will be a few GWR sets that will be off-lease soon. Even after the GTi sets and the ones that go to ScotRail.

 

[cjmillsnun]

I've searched the forums and can't see an authoritative answer - would 67s + mk4 set be able to run at 125mph timings?
There seems to be much mutterings of limiting speeds of 100 or 110 but is this accurate and why?

Having been checked by a pesky slow 90 this evening, a 125mph capable solution would be nice!

(Has anyone rung the ACLG to see how Avocet's restoration is going...? )

I know you were half joking, but Avocet is a long way off being main line certified.

 

[43096]

There will be a few GWR sets that will be off-lease soon. Even after the GTi sets and the ones that go to ScotRail.

See my reply above about the timing of their availability.

 

[43096]

Which 91 held the UK speed record (until beaten by a 373)? Would that not be the "obvious" one to save for the national collection?

91110 I think. You can also make a case for the (already) nominated 91131 - it is (currently) the last British built express passenger locomotive.

 

[twpsaesneg]

I know you were half joking, but Avocet is a long way off being main line certified.

I was fully joking sadly, but it's still not as ridiculous as some of the 442 threads
I'm genuinely interested in what would be technically feasible with 67s though.