the final curtain for 43089 as a Valenta?

[martyn29]

The engine blew up today so looks like this could be the end of Valenta engines on the midland mainline.
I am in mourning.... :cry:

 

[Geezertronic]

Times move on my friend and from what I understand your loco will get a better and more efficient replacement.

You can be in mourning as much as you like but it's afternoon now

 

[Techniquest]

Humour...:-x

Depends on the blow-out, she might just be out for a few days. Hopefully that's all it is.

 

[westcoaster]

Martyn all may not be lost , she is still sitting at cricklwood idleing away, cacked in oil but still running.

 

[Jordy]

Too early to speculate yet! Might just be something minor

 

[richa2002]

Martyn all may not be lost , she is still sitting at cricklwood idleing away, cacked in oil but still running.

Ah, good news to hear she's running.

 

[2030720310]

never mind, at least MTUs keep them running (HSTs). We need a more modern railway anyway.....

 

[MCR247]

it would probably be getting a VP185 instead of MTU

 

[The Box Photter]

Saw 43089 heading north on the down slow this evening through Mill Hill Broadway at about 17.50. Lots of oil on the bodyside just behind the cab and all over the leading bogie. Not sure if she was under power, but the rear power car on the unit was working hard. Time for a heart transplant.

 

[Techniquest]

If she's got oil all down the side, then it doesn't necessarily mean it's game over for the Valentas with EMT. 43053 suffered that fate with NXEC, but depending on EMT's maintenance budget and whether they can afford to be a power car down for some time whilst a VP185 is fitted, then it remains possible that 089 will not be losing her Valenta.

I hope she doesn't yet, I ain't had her since 2005 and would love to get some more miles with her whilst she has a Valenta singing away.

 

[xc170]

I am in mourning....

ITS JUST AN ENJINE!.... There are some sad people around arnt there... I dont understand why so many people drool over a 30 year old, noisy, un-environmentally friendly lump of metal, its rather pathetic if you ask me...

Ime guessing ile probobly get a warning for having an oppinion:roll:

 

[MCR247]

ITS JUST AN ENJINE!.... There are some sad people around arnt there... I dont understand why so many people drool over a 30 year old, noisy, un-environmentally friendly lump of metal, its rather pathetic if you ask me...

Ime guessing ile probobly get a warning for having an oppinion:roll:

But thats your opinion, how can you expect others to respect your opinion when your saying someone elses opinion is sad.

EDIT: Engine!

 

[generalvegitable]

I dont understand why so many people drool over a 30 year old, noisy, un-environmentally friendly lump of metal, its rather pathetic if you ask me...

It clags and screams, thats whywe all like it

it would probably be getting a VP185 instead of MTU

whats the difference? (I know it sounds sarcastic, but I really don't know the difference between the 2 engines

 

[MCR247]

It clags and screams, thats whywe all like it

whats the difference? (I know it sounds sarcastic, but I really don't know the difference between the 2 engines

The VP185 is more like a valenta, it still screams to an extent. IIRC it sands for Valenta Paxman 185

 

[generalvegitable]

so it isn't the end for it being a valenta engine, its only the beginning

 

[MCR247]

yeah, its basically and Eco Friendlier Valenta in other words

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

The VP185 is more like a valenta, it still screams to an extent. IIRC it sands for Valenta Paxman 185

Yep, Anything will scream with a nice lovely turbo. Thats why the Valenta screams alot, It has one massive turbo. The VP has 6 smaller turbos which are on the top of the engine.

 

[Techniquest]

ITS JUST AN ENJINE!.... There are some sad people around arnt there... I dont understand why so many people drool over a 30 year old, noisy, un-environmentally friendly lump of metal, its rather pathetic if you ask me...

Ime guessing ile probobly get a warning for having an oppinion:roll:

You won't be getting a warning for having an oppinion (sic), but your spelling and grammar is atrocious. Even when I'm half asleep as I am currently, I couldn't type out such a terrible post.

OK, so you've got me riled up now so you're getting it:

Why do people like Martyn and I (as well as plenty of other people!) like the noisy and un-environmentally friendly lumps of metal (as you put it)? They make a fantastic sound, and quite frankly I don't care that they're not as environmentally friendly as more modern diesel engines. That sort of thing doesn't interest me terribly.

Noisy? Quite so, and I daresay Martyn is with me when I say the noisier the better! Un-environmentally friendly? What do you expect for engines that are 33 years old?

But let's turn the tables around, why do you like the 175s as you proclaim in your forum username? The seats are not all that comfortable, the air-con is dodgy at the best of times, the radios don't work anymore, the PIS on-board has multiple personalities, the door beeper is deafening on and off the train, the brakes are terribly noisy, the units are underfloor-engined spelling a lack of comfort in terms of noise levels for passengers, the interiors are worn out and the fleet is, generally speaking, unreliable even these days.

For a fleet that's what, 5 years old that is atrocious.

I look forward to your reply.

generalvegitable: The VP185 is a development from the Valenta, although I forget exactly how it got to where it is now. What is interesting is that they are still developing the design.

However it is still the end for the Valenta in 43089 soon, as the VP185 is a new era. The end will come totally when the fleet comes to withdrawal. That day is when Martyn and I will no doubt be on the final farewell run, both full of fond memories.
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Yep, Anything will scream with a nice lovely turbo. Thats why the Valenta screams alot, It has one massive turbo. The VP has 6 smaller turbos which are on the top of the engine.

One humongous NA256 or SA-056 turbo if memory serves. Coupled with a Marston cooler and a Valenta, then you've got the classic sound that I love hearing at every opportunity.

The MTU'd power cars have something like 4 tiny turbos don't they Scott?

 

[SouthEastern-465]

The engine blew up today so looks like this could be the end of Valenta engines on the midland mainline.
I am in mourning.... :cry:

i know what you feel like,when i heard about the class 465,being re-enginered by Hitachi,it spoilt it for me,its not the same but a totally diffrent loco with the same body shell,it spoils there personality,but i still love them,but ive heard 465181 in action the traction sounds awful compared to the old ones,when you use to get the buzzing which gets louder and louder..

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

One humongous NA256 or SA-056 turbo if memory serves. Coupled with a Marston cooler and a Valenta, then you've got the classic sound that I love hearing at every opportunity.

The MTU'd power cars have something like 4 tiny turbos don't they Scott?

NA-256 and SA-084s. Close Julian but no cigar! And yep MTUs have 4 small turbos

 

[martyn29]

Times move on my friend and from what I understand your loco will get a better and more efficient replacement.

You can be in mourning as much as you like but it's afternoon now

bit late but thanks

 

[Techniquest]

NA-256 and SA-084s. Close Julian but no cigar! And yep MTUs have 4 small turbos

Oh so close! Thanks for clearing that up, shows it's been absolutely ages since I really took any notice of the technical stuff!

 

[kestrel]

generalvegitable: The VP185 is a development from the Valenta, although I forget exactly how it got to where it is now. What is interesting is that they are still developing the design.




One humongous NA256 or SA-056 turbo if memory serves. Coupled with a Marston cooler and a Valenta, then you've got the classic sound that I love hearing at every opportunity.

The MTU'd power cars have something like 4 tiny turbos don't they Scott?

The VP185 is a totally new design, being a 90degree V12 as opposed to the narrower V of the old valenta, now its finally getting upgraded with electronic injection it should turn out to be a more efficient engine than the German MTU.

And correct the VP is fitted with 6 automotive type turbo's much cheaper to replace (and easier!) than the big Napier, the 16cylinder MTU's have 4 turbo's and intercoolers like a miniturised EE 16CSVT!! lol

 

[Techniquest]

The VP185 is a totally new design, being a 90degree V12 as opposed to the narrower V of the old valenta, now its finally getting upgraded with electronic injection it should turn out to be a more efficient engine than the German MTU.

Thanks for that, I really wasn't sure if it was a new design or not, I was rushing the post to which you refer. That'll teach me to research stuff more thoroughly next time...

Wasn't aware electronic injection hadn't been put in yet, that'll sure help make it better than the MTU 16V4000.

 

[37401]

ITS JUST AN ENJINE!.... There are some sad people around arnt there... I dont understand why so many people drool over a 30 year old, noisy, un-environmentally friendly lump of metal, its rather pathetic if you ask me...

Ime guessing ile probobly get a warning for having an oppinion:roll:

Its spelt Engine and as you can see in the rules they dont like the use of big letters or bad grammer, on the topic i prefer the Paxman 12VP185L Engines more clag and they scream alot more

 

[devon_metro]

Before you moan about grammar and spelling, sort yours out!

Irony central!

 

[asylumxl]

Now now ladies .

On a more on-topic note, I don't really care what sounds a 43 makes, it's all about performance to me .

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

on the topic i prefer the Paxman 12VP185L Engines more clag and they scream alot more

More than a Valenta?

They most certainly do not.

 

[MCR247]

more than an MTU

 

[generalvegitable]

o.k why ae they crap?