New South Western franchise: Awarded to First/MTR

[brick60000]

Ah. I was looking at the date just past midnight, hence thinking tomorrow was today!! [emoji23][emoji23]

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[BestWestern]

Apparently the first round of timetable leaflets managed to spell Salisbury incorrectly. Presumably they'll all be binned. UK rail franchising, maximising wastage from day one...

 

[LLivery]

That’s the SL (Stockholm equivalent of TfL, ish) livery, not a corporate livery.

Not to mention that would basically be the Thameslink Great Northern livery

 

[BestWestern]

Not to mention that would basically be the Thameslink Great Northern livery

Do Thameslink have a 'livery'?! I thought they just had 'lots of grey paint'!

 

[Goldfish62]

Yes, I can see that. I want to say I'm not impressed but the reality is that I've lived with SWT for the entirety of their existence and that is what I'm used to. So any feelings on the change are biased towards the negative.

From a punter's point of view (in red train land) , however, I would ask why on earth are 'they' bothering to try and fix something that wasn't broken. (I have been here long enough to understand more than the average traveller, I hope, so I'm not really after an answer to that!)

I'm keeping my signature for now.

You could just as easily say why was NSE livery abolished by SWT. SWT livery has now been around for twice as long so it's had a good innings.

 

[LLivery]

Here's a leaflet showing a high resolution version of the branding in use: http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0006/25386/first-mtr-swt-dppp-approval-letter.pdf

That logo is absolutely rubbish. Even where the symbol has been placed is annoying. First have done very well with GWR and TPX. If I was presented this I would've chucked it out the window.

 

[LLivery]

Do Thameslink have a 'livery'?! I thought they just had 'lots of grey paint'!

According to Americans lots of grey or silver with a little blue is a distinct livery

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Are there very many SWTs staff who were with the company back when Stagecoach first took over?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Apparently the first round of timetable leaflets managed to spell Salisbury incorrectly. Presumably they'll all be binned. UK rail franchising, maximising wastage from day one...

Didn't stop Southern having maps proudly showing "Southamton Central" up on trains for at least a few months. Proof reading seems to be dead...

 

[3141]

Anyone agree that the logo seems to be based on a rough depiction of the sw network map? That's what struck me about it anyway.

100%. That was exactly my interpretation of it when I first saw it. All lines lead to Waterloo.

 

[F Great Eastern]

No ticket machines taking money all day today because of a 'fault'

 

[3141]

Is the new franchise going to be more run by MTR than First? Just comparing the new logo quickly with the logos of the First Group and of MTR, it seems to be more similar to the MTR logo than the First Group logo

I doubt that analysis of the new SWR company logo will confirm which of the partners takes the leading role..

In practice, they'll be working to make use of each other's skills, knowledge and experience. It's in the interests of both of them to make a success of the franchise.

As First holds 70% and MTR 30% of the company, it's obvious whose view would prevail if there is a disagreement. But I would expect that normally they will leave it to the management of SWR to get on with the job.

 

[Nammer]

Are there very many SWTs staff who were with the company back when Stagecoach first took over?

I'm one of them. Right from 1988 and the NSE days here!

 

[jopsuk]

The square logo is something of a mistake currently in social media branding. Twitter, Instagram, Whatsapp, Facebook Messenger all use round icons; either the mark will have to be shrunk to fit within the circle or the corners will be clipped off. This stuff matters in branding- Twitter switching from squares to circles was a huge headache for many brands

 

[HarleyDavidson]

No ticket machines taking money all day today because of a 'fault'

Not a fault it's for accounting purposes.

 

[F Great Eastern]

Not a fault it's for accounting purposes.

I never said it was a fault, I said it was a 'fault'

SWT are describing it as a "fault"

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Let's not get into a stupid argument, you mentioned that it was a fault.

I just clarified the issue.

 

[Blindtraveler]

So who is going to bash the last ever SWT service? Are any members working it?

 

[Matt Taylor]

I'm working the last Solent stopper from Portsmouth tonight, taxi back from Southampton though.

 

[3141]

159014 debranded - it no longer has South West Trains on the sides. Operating between Basingstoke and Salisbury this afternoon.

 

[TEW]

So who is going to bash the last ever SWT service? Are any members working it?

I'll be working the last SWT service to Guildford. About 90 minutes before the last SWT service though.

 

[Fiyero]

I've just been on my last South West Trains journey. Missing Guard and a delay, what a way to go out!

 

[urpert]

My last was yesterday, but into Platform 24 at Waterloo which was a pleasing bonus.

 

[JaJaWa]

There will a Desiro branded from September 4 I believe

 

[F Great Eastern]

That SWR logo looks awful.

The whole thing looks very dated and the font reminds me of NSE for some odd reason.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

There will a Desiro branded from September 4 I believe

You've got to be kidding me. Where is that from!?

 

[GW43125]

Had my last ride today, was a good way to end though. I jumped on a Windsor train at Clapham that was running 20 minutes late so we ran fast to Feltham in 14 minutes!

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Just done my last SWT service - 444010! Full of drunks and police, but it could have been worse (a 450)

Speaking of which one was coupled to the back of my 444.

 

[387star]

What the hell is that looks awful a zebra?

All new liveries use grey white bases now it seems

 

[Schweir]

Not good