Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[Bwlch y Groes]

It has been well discussed that there have been no changes at all but those for PRM compliance - painted handlebars, door sounders and accessible toilets.

We can only assume (and hope) that at some point a 156 with either new seat covers or completely new seats will appear, complete with new painting and carpeting, wifi, sockets, and so on.

Just to clarify, the refurbishment programme has two stages. The first stage is primarily about PRM, a general refresh of the interior, LED lighting, adding of the PIS, and an overhaul of the train (because it's scheduled in with general heavy maintenance). The current seat covers are stop-gaps. There will be then be a second stage where WiFi and new seats (same design as the new CAF trains) are added, and the PIS is updated to give real-time info. This will bring it up to the standard people expect of this kind of refurbishment. The 158s will be to the same standard as the new CAF trains in terms of the number of features, because they'll be running Northern Connect services between Carlisle and Middlesbrough and there's a set standard they have to be at for that.

Also look out for an announcement this coming week.

 

[sd0733]

From that list of the future arrivals, 150202 has had a refresh/repaint for GWR and also has had its PRM mods completed

 

[NORMAN471]

156484 now in new Northern and 156489 is in unbranded Northern White. Does anyone know if there will be any Visit Yorkshire / Promotional vinyls like those that 156441/448/461/464/469/484/490 and the 150/2s have carried applied in the future. I 've always been puzzled that there was never one that promoted Blackpool. The skyline silhouette "Connecting the North" signs at Workington, Chorley, Salford Central and Manchester Oxford Road have managed to survive from the last TOC and I would like to see those used in a greater capacity again, it's a pity that it is not carried on the body sides of current units.

 

[northwichcat]

Does anyone know if there will be any Visit Yorkshire / Promotional vinyls

It'll depend if such organisations are willing to pay for them. Advertising on trains has never been as popular as advertising on buses.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

I'm 99% certain we won't have any of those. Also no further train namings

 

[northwichcat]

Also no further train namings

Well naming a 319 'Northern Powerhouse' didn't work so well. It appeared Northern's management got George Osborne to unveil a plaque on the most unreliable 319 because they knew the Northern Powerhouse was a non-starter.

 

[darloscott]

Just to clarify, the refurbishment programme has two stages. The first stage is primarily about PRM, a general refresh of the interior, LED lighting, adding of the PIS, and an overhaul of the train (because it's scheduled in with general heavy maintenance). The current seat covers are stop-gaps. There will be then be a second stage where WiFi and new seats (same design as the new CAF trains) are added, and the PIS is updated to give real-time info. This will bring it up to the standard people expect of this kind of refurbishment. The 158s will be to the same standard as the new CAF trains in terms of the number of features, because they'll be running Northern Connect services between Carlisle and Middlesbrough and there's a set standard they have to be at for that.

Also look out for an announcement this coming week.

That's good to hear that there are more phases of work to come for the fleet. I assume they'll be able to speed up the process once units start cascading from other operators.

 

[Bwlch y Groes]

Well naming a 319 'Northern Powerhouse' didn't work so well. It appeared Northern's management got George Osborne to unveil a plaque on the most unreliable 319 because they knew the Northern Powerhouse was a non-starter.

Ha. Well, that sort of thing is part of it - apparently naming a train after Jimmy Savile was discussed at one point. But as much as anything, it's a lot of hassle to organise a ceremony - I helped out with the last one, for the Royal Northumberland Fusiliers, and a lot of work went into it - and what for? There are more practical things we can do for people than sticking a vinyl on a Sprinter.

That said, for many in the company (particularly at regional level) it's the go-to thing to do to honour someone/a group and they're still keen, but they're not supposed to. But all the current names are due to come off during refurbishment.

 

[507021]

The list now needs updating

I've been busy with work etc, so I haven't had a chance to get to it until this evening.

Units in red are in the Northern Rail livery or their former operator's livery.
Units in blue are in the Northern livery.
Units in purple are in the base Northern livery.
Units in bold are fully refurbished.
Units with a ^ are out of service for refurbishment/PRM mods.
Units with a * have received PRM modifications.
Units with a $ are currently stored/out of service.
319s with an F are having engines fitted for the 319 Flex programme.

Class 150s:
150103, 150110, 150111, 150112, 150113, 150114, 150115, 150116, 150117, 150118, 150119, 150132, 150133, 150134*, 150135, 150136*, 150137*, 150138, 150139, 150140*, 150141, 150142, 150143, 150144, 150145, 150146, 150147, 150148, 150149, 150150.

150201, 150203, 150204*, 150205, 150206*, 150207, 150210, 150211*, 150214, 150215, 150218, 150220*, 150222*, 150223*, 150224, 150225, 150226, 150228, 150268, 150269, 150270, 150271, 150272, 150273, 150274, 150275* 150276^, 150277.

Due: 150001, 150002*; 150101, 150102, 150104, 150105, 150106, 150107, 150108, 150109, 150120, 150121, 150122, 150123, 150124, 150125, 150126, 150127, 150128, 150129, 150130, 150131; 150202*, 150216.

Class 155s:
155341, 155342, 155343, 155344, 155345^, 155346*$, 155347.

Class 156s:
156420, 156421, 156423, 156424, 156425, 156426, 156427, 156428, 156429, 156438, 156440, 156441, 156443*, 156444*, 156448, 156451*, 156452, 156454*, 156455, 156459, 156460, 156461, 156463*, 156464, 156466, 156468, 156469, 156471*, 156472*^, 156475, 156479*, 156480, 156481*^, 156482*, 156483*, 156484*, 156486*, 156487*, 156488, 156489*, 156490, 156491*.

Due: 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??, 1564??.

Class 158s:
2-car: 158784, 158787, 158790, 158791, 158792, 158793, 158794, 158795, 158796, 158797, 158815, 158816, 158817, 158842, 158843, 158844, 158845^, 158848, 158849, 158850, 158851, 158853, 158855, 158859, 158860, 158861, 158872, 158901, 158902, 158903, 158904, 158905, 158906, 158907, 158908, 158909, 158910.

3-car: 158752*, 158753*, 158754^, 158755, 158756*, 158757, 158758, 158759.

Due: 158782, 158786, 158789, 158867, 158868, 158869, 158870, 158871.

Note: 158906 is fitted with WiFi, charging points and a PIS in one carriage.

Class 170:
170453, 170454, 170455, 170456, 170457, 170458, 170459, 170460, 170461, 170472, 170473, 170474, 170475, 170476, 170477, 170478.

Class 319s:
319361*, 319362*, 319363*, 319364*, 319365*, 319366*, 319367, 319368, 319369*, 319370$, 319371, 319374*, 319375, 319376, 319377*, 319378, 319379, 319380, 319381$, 319382, 319383, 319384*$, 319385$, 319386.

319424*$, 319431*$, 319434*F, 319442^, 319448*, 319450*, 319456*F, 319458*^.

Class 333s:
333001, 333002, 333003, 333004, 333005, 333006, 333007, 333008, 333009, 333010, 333011, 333012, 333013, 333014, 333015, 333016.

If anybody notices any mistakes or has information on the PRM status of the units expected to arrive please let me know.

 

[childwallblues]

Well naming a 319 'Northern Powerhouse' didn't work so well. It appeared Northern's management got George Osborne to unveil a plaque on the most unreliable 319 because they knew the Northern Powerhouse was a non-starter.

Most unreliable 319? Who says?

 

[northwichcat]

Most unreliable 319? Who says?

The part that Northern management knew it was unreliable wasn't intended to be taken seriously but it failed in passenger service 3 times in quick succession soon after being named Northern Powerhouse by George Osborne, much to the amusement of The Guardian and City AM who picked up on that.

 

[Jamesrob637]

The part that Northern management knew it was unreliable wasn't intended to be taken seriously but it failed in passenger service 3 times in quick succession soon after being named Northern Powerhouse by George Osborne, much to the amusement of The Guardian and City AM who picked up on that.

Have you seen why the 17:23 from Picc to Hazel Grove has been cancelled tonight? (At least the Buxton service is picking up the Levenshulme and Heaton Chapel calls)

 

[northwichcat]

Have you seen why the 17:23 from Picc to Hazel Grove has been cancelled tonight? (At least the Buxton service is picking up the Levenshulme and Heaton Chapel calls)

According to RTT the train was 'swapped' - is the 323 covering for a failed 319 maybe?

 

[Jamesrob637]

According to RTT the train was 'swapped' - is the 323 covering for a failed 319 maybe?

Something about a slower train?

 

[northwichcat]

Something about a slower train?

I'm not following. That service used to be operated by 2 x 142s and is still has 14x timings. Are you suggesting it was cancelled due to a 323 being swapped for a 319? If so I'd guess the cancellation would be down to the booked driver/guard not signing 319s. If a 319 can't run to 14x timings then there's something wrong with the unit.

 

[50032]

I'm not following. That service used to be operated by 2 x 142s and is still has 14x timings. Are you suggesting it was cancelled due to a 323 being swapped for a 319? If so I'd guess the cancellation would be down to the booked driver/guard not signing 319s. If a 319 can't run to 14x timings then there's something wrong with the unit.

Caped due to a 323 shortage. A 319 has NOT been to Hazel Grove tonight!

 

[Malay States]

156484 is in the new livery.

 

[northwichcat]

Going back to refurbishments according to Northern's Twitter feed there's currently 10 units undergoing refurbishment.

 

[northernchris]

150134 has had PRM mods done, but repainted in to old livery

155346 was briefly out on Saturday, saw it pass through Leeds out of service around 0930

 

[507021]

150134 has had PRM mods done, but repainted in to old livery

155346 was briefly out on Saturday, saw it pass through Leeds out of service around 0930

Thanks, Chris. I have added this to the list.

 

[BurtonM]

156489 is out in new colours but no vinyl or interior work by the look of it.

 

[158722]

I've been busy with work etc, so I haven't had a chance to get to it until this evening.

Good of you to keep this up to date, but are you sure 156438 & 469 have been PRM'ed and relivered? I haven't got either recorded.

Opposite way around, 156451 has received the new Northern scheme in full.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/84539378@N07/35271406014/

156491 has been PRM'ed - or at least superbog fitted, note the revised window arrangement on the near end in this view.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemcniven/35583375781/

 

[507021]

Good of you to keep this up to date, but are you sure 156438 & 469 have been PRM'ed and relivered? I haven't got either recorded.

Opposite way around, 156451 has received the new Northern scheme in full.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/84539378@N07/35271406014/

156491 has been PRM'ed - or at least superbog fitted, note the revised window arrangement on the near end in this view.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mikemcniven/35583375781/

I'm not sure why I put 156438 as repainted and modified, my own records don't state it has either. I must have been mistaken on 156469!

I've adjusted those two and added the extra information about 451 and 491.

Thanks.

 

[childwallblues]

The part that Northern management knew it was unreliable wasn't intended to be taken seriously but it failed in passenger service 3 times in quick succession soon after being named Northern Powerhouse by George Osborne, much to the amusement of The Guardian and City AM who picked up on that.

I would agree that 362 was unreliable at that time but that was a long time ago now. I was on 362 on 20 June from Preston to St Helens Central and had no problems.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

155346 was briefly out on Saturday, saw it pass through Leeds out of service around 0930

It lives! Could you tell anything about the interior?

 

[M1544]

155346 reported to be working 0652 leeds Selby and then likely 0741 Selby Manchester vic via Calder Valley today.

 

[1179_Clee2]

Reported on GWR livery thread that 150 126 has got PRM mods (running as a 3 car train with 150/2 vehicle as a center car which does not have PRM mods)

 

[50032]

Not sure if this has been noted previously but I've just seen 319374 at Allerton depot in full ARN colours

In service this morning on the 0616 LIV-MIA. That's the first one out in full ARN livery.

 

[M1544]

155346 refurbished and confirmed working 0741 Selby Manchester vic, should then be on 0948 Mcv to Leeds.

 

[PHILIPE]

Reported on GWR livery thread that 150 126 has got PRM mods (running as a 3 car train with 150/2 vehicle as a center car which does not have PRM mods)

There are many GWR 150s quoted with PRM Mods on that thread. 150126 is now 150926