Manchester Arena Incident (22/05/2017)

[KN1]

So we just have to wait until the next nut job ploughs into another crowd of innocent people, more kind words, more police presence for a day or two....

Yeah as long as the important people are protected.... :roll:

As has been said it's a complete non-starter, in fact utterly ridiculous.:roll:

 

[ExRes]

So we just have to wait until the next nut job ploughs into another crowd of innocent people, more kind words, more police presence for a day or two....

Yeah as long as the important people are protected.... :roll:

Stop just shouting at everyone and set out a workable plan for the ENTIRE country then, I know it's unworkable as do most other people and you are just using a depraved terrorist atrocity as an anti-monarchy soapbox

 

[Hornet]

So we just have to wait until the next nut job ploughs into another crowd of innocent people, more kind words, more police presence for a day or two....

Yeah as long as the important people are protected.... :roll:

So how would you have stopped 7/7? Stop people carrying rucksacks, suitcases, bags, etc? Suicide belts? Time for everyone to wear a thong. What about the nut job who parks his van in the countryside, not far from (insert airport here), with a fully loaded surface to air missile launcher. (The IRA fired mortars into Heathrow many years ago). They could even rent a house/top floor flat, with a sky light, in London, to take pot shots at arriving/departing flights. Solution, stop flying. Still no matter take the Train. (See 7/7 above). Madrid Atocha anyone? I am sure you have solutions to all these problems. Best give the Government or MI5/6 a call. :roll::roll::roll:

 

[EM2]

So we just have to wait until the next nut job ploughs into another crowd of innocent people, more kind words, more police presence for a day or two....

Yeah as long as the important people are protected.... :roll:

Let's say that your proposal gets put into place. So now there are massive barriers on every pavement in the country.
And so terrorists come up with another plan. Let's say that suicide bombers decide to simply walk down the street with a bomb in a rucksack, stand somewhere where there are lots of people (outside Oxford Circus station, say) and blow themselves up.
What's your plan to stop that?
Or if they decide to do it on trains again?
We can't eliminate everything.

 

[Groningen]

Some in the Netherlands say that we should give no attention in the media to these attacks. What do you get than? Maybe even more severe attacks.

 

[Dave1987]

Stop just shouting at everyone and set out a workable plan for the ENTIRE country then, I know it's unworkable as do most other people and you are just using a depraved terrorist atrocity as an anti-monarchy soapbox

Anti monarchy soap box? It's got nothing to do with anti monarchy. It's about innocent people and children getting killed.

Anyway I'm out on this thread.

 

[ExRes]

Anti monarchy soap box? It's got nothing to do with anti monarchy. It's about innocent people and children getting killed.

Anyway I'm out on this thread.

I'd suggest you try reading some of your own posts then, I assume as you are 'out on this thread' that you don't actually have any ideas on how to carry out what you've been demanding

 

[Tetchytyke]

Some in the Netherlands say that we should give no attention in the media to these attacks. What do you get than? Maybe even more severe attacks.

We should give lots of attention...to the victims. But none to the perpetrator. I don't care what this animal was called, what his reason was, they should scoop his remains up and chuck them in the incinerator with all the other medical waste. No funeral, nothing.

It's the same with the gunmen in America, they all want the infamy, their narcissism means they want to be remembered as the worst gunman. Don't give them the pleasure.

you are just using a depraved terrorist atrocity as an anti-monarchy soapbox

I don't know, I agree that it grates when after these events "security is stepped up"...around the politicians and the Government buildings. The rest of us are left to swivel.

It's the same with everything. There are no nuclear bunkers for us plebs. Look at how much taxpayer cash was spent on keeping Princesses Beatrice and Eugene safe at university: we don't get that level of protection. Hell, even Nick Griffin's daughter was given significant police protection whilst she was at university. It isn't fair.

 

[HSTEd]

Look at how much taxpayer cash was spent on keeping Princesses Beatrice and Eugene safe at university: we don't get that level of protection. Hell, even Nick Griffin's daughter was given significant police protection whilst she was at university. It isn't fair.

Do you have any evidence that anyone is specifically targeting you?

 

[EM2]

I don't know, I agree that it grates when after these events "security is stepped up"...around the politicians and the Government buildings.

But it hasn't. It's just different people stood there.

The rest of us are left to swivel.

And security has been stepped up for us. Never seen armed police where I work before, but they were there yesterday.

 

[DarloRich]

But it hasn't. It's just different people stood there.

And security has been stepped up for us. Never seen armed police where I work before, but they were there yesterday.

We even had armed police at MK station yesterday morning!

 

[Hornet]

Some in the Netherlands say that we should give no attention in the media to these attacks. What do you get than? Maybe even more severe attacks.

One of the most powerful images that I will never forget was a BBC News report from Belfast in the early 70's. It was the aftermath of a bomb explosion and the Army, Police and Fire Services were clearing up. One shot was of a Fireman shovelling up what appeared to be the carcass of a dead animal, only it wasn't. It was the torso of an individual who had caught the full force of the blast. Just the torso, no head or limbs. Clothes and skin flailed from the body to show the rib cage of whoever it may have been. As a child, that image had a profound affect on me and it comes back to me every time there is an atrocity like this.

With today's sanitized mainstream media, social media has taken over. This has limited the ability of the mainstream media and Governments attempts to shield us from the worst horrors of these events. The horror of this attack and aftermath and the devastating injuries have probably been viewed by untold amounts of people over social media. No censorship, no respect for the families of the dead, dying and injured. Propaganda for the perpetrators, anguish for the victims. And the viewers, what ages are they. Unlike me watching the BBC report with my parents, they may be watching alone or sharing with friends. Do they understand what is happening? How is it affecting them psychologically? Should Mainstream media coverage be more graphic so that parents and children can talk about these attacks in a broader context?

When I saw the Belfast report all those years ago I never envisaged not only visiting the city on a regular basis but visiting it during the 'Troubles'. Things like this should be reported, but they should be put into perspective. I don't feel any less safer now, than I did as a young child watching that BBC report. The best way of dealing with these attacks is to carry on as normal.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

On a happier note, the homeless man who helped out after the bomb appears to be on the road to getting somewhere to live (Although I'm not completely clear from this report whether he actually has been found a place).

Homeless man Steve Jones was labelled a hero after he helped victims during the Manchester Arena attack. He (Graphic description of his actions at bomb-scene removed here as I think it's not for the squeamish) before paramedics arrived

After news of his actions went viral, West Ham co-chairman's son Dave Sullivan set about finding Steve to offer him a place to live.

The pair were united on 5 live Drive, with Steve telling Dave he “loved him to bits for all he’s done.”

To my mind, this is exactly the kind of story that shows that, despite the horror and awfulness of what happened on Monday, there is a huge amount of good and kindness in humanity, which we should remember and celebrate.

 

[Greenback]

The debate on media coverage of atrocities like this is an interesting one. My feeling is that these awful incidents need to be reported by mainstream media, but that the reports need to be playe ddown a bit.

I don't think it's going to happen though, as there is too much in the way of rolling news these days, never mind social media and it's effects. I do think that some of the coverage I've seen has been bordering on the senationalist, and that's not really good for anyone.

I believe that more subdued coverage would be better.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Of course, sensationalist reporting is also causing people to live in fear when they need not do so. They should be more scared of driving into the big city they are visiting (and thus drive carefully), as this is a whole lot more risky.

 

[Tetchytyke]

there is too much in the way of rolling news these days

Yep, the biggest problem is 24 hour news channels and their need to fill all that time talking about something, anything will do.

The "normal" news bulletins aren't so bad, there's time to research things a bit better (well, with the exception of Laura Kuenssberg...). But 24-hour-news is just a selection of people who know nothing guessing what might have happened. It's like watching the gossips at work. Nobody knows what's happening, but it doesn't stop them talking about it.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yep, the biggest problem is 24 hour news channels and their need to fill all that time talking about something, anything will do.

But then BBC1 morning programming was signed over to BBC News too. That was unnecessary - BBC News is available to all UK viewers. Occasional newsflashes would be a better approach on BBC1.

 

[GB]

Yep, the biggest problem is 24 hour news channels and their need to fill all that time talking about something, anything will do.

I tend to agree with that. I caught some coverage yesterday on the BBC 24 and they had some "breaking news"....one of the victims was an off duty police officer. Why does that constitute breaking news and why is it even relevant?

 

[BestWestern]

Of course, sensationalist reporting is also causing people to live in fear when they need not do so. They should be more scared of driving into the big city they are visiting (and thus drive carefully), as this is a whole lot more risky.

I couldn't agree more. The media is arguably one of the most damaging weapons the terrorists have, as they will merrily spend days spreading fear and hysteria after an incident, exactly as they are now. Precisely what the terrorist wants to achieve. I'd very much like to see coverage significantly curbed, but then I suppose that's a slippery slope.

 

[northwichcat]

Booths Supermarket at MediaCity has put charity before profit as they have very few ready to eat products left to sell after donating most of their stock to Manchester Children's Hospital.

 

[northwichcat]

I tend to agree with that. I caught some coverage yesterday on the BBC 24 and they had some "breaking news"....one of the victims was an off duty police officer. Why does that constitute breaking news and why is it even relevant?

Breaking means the story is still developing as it's being reported, not what a lot of people think it means.

 

[AlterEgo]

Latest post-Manchester virtue signals spotted on the radar: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40057145

Runners and their supporters around the UK plan to create a "sea of yellow" at marathons and other running events this weekend in tribute to the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Yellow ribbons are considered to be a symbol of hope and solidarity and people are being asked to show their support by wearing one.

Posters on Facebook and Twitter pages for several parkrun groups around the country said they also wanted to "show that we are all part of the same community and we will all come together in solidarity, defiance and love".

 

[Ianno87]

Yep, the biggest problem is 24 hour news channels and their need to fill all that time talking about something, anything will do.

The "normal" news bulletins aren't so bad, there's time to research things a bit better (well, with the exception of Laura Kuenssberg...). But 24-hour-news is just a selection of people who know nothing guessing what might have happened. It's like watching the gossips at work. Nobody knows what's happening, but it doesn't stop them talking about it.

Like just before Mrs May announced the General Election:

Studio: "So what's she going to say?"
Reporter: "We don't know!"

 

[ModernRailways]

The debate on media coverage of atrocities like this is an interesting one. My feeling is that these awful incidents need to be reported by mainstream media, but that the reports need to be playe ddown a bit.

I don't think it's going to happen though, as there is too much in the way of rolling news these days, never mind social media and it's effects. I do think that some of the coverage I've seen has been bordering on the senationalist, and that's not really good for anyone.

I believe that more subdued coverage would be better.

This video goes a good way towards explaining it. Well worth a watch, for all in this thread I'd definitely suggest watching it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZohjYKGZJM

It's about America but it's definitely relevant over here.

 

[Groningen]

It seems that "Dont look back in anger" by 1 of the Gallaghers is to be reissued and the profits/revenue go to the victims.

 

[Merseysider]

It seems that "Dont look back in anger" by 1 of the Gallaghers is to be reissued and the profits/revenue go to the victims.

A nice idea, given the popularity of the song.

In a similar vein, Russell Brand, after a poignant foreword, announced at the show in Southport (23/5) that the money he got from us attending would be donated to charities and organisations involved in the aftermath.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

A nice idea, given the popularity of the song.

In a similar vein, Russell Brand, after a poignant foreword, announced at the show in Southport (23/5) that the money he got from us attending would be donated to charities and organisations involved in the aftermath.

There was an impromptu performance of the song at one of the vigils. I'm no fan of Oasis but I fully appreciate this gesture.

 

[BestWestern]

A nice idea, given the popularity of the song.

In a similar vein, Russell Brand, after a poignant foreword, announced at the show in Southport (23/5) that the money he got from us attending would be donated to charities and organisations involved in the aftermath.

Well that makes a refreshing change to his usual business of self promoting gobbyness, I suppose!

 

[backontrack]

There was an impromptu performance of the song at one of the vigils. I'm no fan of Oasis but I fully appreciate this gesture.

It's a really fitting song for the attack. They played it on Radio 1 last week and it seemed...different.

 

[roversfan2001]

A benefit concert now confirmed to be held at Old Trafford Cricket Ground this Sunday (4th June). £40 a ticket with proceeds going to the Manchester Emergency Fund.