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TFL - Caught by Revenue Inspector, help please....

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MikeWh

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Are we saying that touching a Tesco Clubcard (not the credit card version) on an Oyster reader somehow simulates a "touch out" eg gives a green light?

As a Tesco Clubcard is unlikely to have RFID capabilities then I would be surprised if there was any reaction from the reader.
 
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As a Tesco Clubcard is unlikely to have RFID capabilities then I would be surprised if there was any reaction from the reader.

Mine is quite old but has no chip. Just a magstrip and barcode.
 

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As a Tesco Clubcard is unlikely to have RFID capabilities then I would be surprised if there was any reaction from the reader.

However if you were tailgating through the barrier or walking through an open one. You might place it on the barrier to avoid suspicion.
 

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Are we saying that touching a Tesco Clubcard (not the credit card version) on an Oyster reader somehow simulates a "touch out" eg gives a green light?

I don't know whether it showed the green light but definitely the barriers were still open.
 

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this is just what I received, so stressed now :(

please advice
 

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The earlier advice stands. Be honest, keep things brief, apologise and then offer to ake a compensatory payment to cover the cost of the joureny plus the time and money that has been spent ind ealing with you.

I would not mention your wife's visa nor your own concerns about having a criminal record. I'm confident that they will see a lot of this kind of thing, and will not be swayed by it.
 

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The earlier advice stands. Be honest, keep things brief, apologise and then offer to ake a compensatory payment to cover the cost of the joureny plus the time and money that has been spent ind ealing with you.

I would not mention your wife's visa nor your own concerns about having a criminal record. I'm confident that they will see a lot of this kind of thing, and will not be swayed by it.

Thanks Greenback.

Does it make sense to call TFL Prosecution on Tuesday and explain the circumstances and apologize?
 

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Thanks Greenback.

Does it make sense to call TFL Prosecution on Tuesday and explain the circumstances and apologize?

Don't call. You need to reply to them using the form they've set you.

This is too serious to be dealt with over the phone.
 

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Don't call. You need to reply to them using the form they've set you.

This is too serious to be dealt with over the phone.

This is so confusing, as per the advice of esteem members of this forum, I contacted the so called BEST solicitor in UK re fare evasion and they advised to call TFL Prosecution and explain what happened and apologize and that should resolve the matter.

:(
 

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This is so confusing, as per the advice of esteem members of this forum, I contacted the so called BEST solicitor in UK re fare evasion and they advised to call TFL Prosecution and explain what happened and apologize and that should resolve the matter.

:(

If TFL wanted you to phone them they would've said this in their letter. They've asked you to write to them using the form they sent so that it what you should do.

Telephone conversations are not the best way to resolve these sort of issues. There's no record of what's said and this can result in misunderstanding. When something is put in writing it's far less open to interpretation and there is an audit trail of what has been asked and the reply.

I really am surprised a solicitor has suggested calling them.
 

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I really am surprised a solicitor has suggested calling them.
So am I. These things are best dealt with in writing - (a) to reduce the likelihood of misunderstandings; and (b) so that both parties have a record of any communication.
 

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You now understand the gravity of your situation so remember, TFL need to be in receipt of your response within 10 days from the 29th - so don't delay, think carefully about your response before sending it off. And offer them a reasonable settlement
 

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You now understand the gravity of your situation so remember, TFL need to be in receipt of your response within 10 days from the 29th - so don't delay, think carefully about your response before sending it off. And offer them a reasonable settlement

Is it 10 days from the date I received the letter or from the day they wrote the letter?

What do you think the reasonable settlement should be?
 

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Is it 10 days from the date I received the letter or from the day they wrote the letter?

What do you think the reasonable settlement should be?

Read the letter, the answer to your first question is in there ;)

You have to offer them something reasonable to keep your case away from court, i.e. cost of fare, cost of TFL investigation and other associated costs so maybe £500 as a start?
 

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I agree with the others that calling them is not going to achieve much and I share the surprise that a solicitor would suggest such a thing. This kind of thing is always best dealt with in writing.
 

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This is so confusing, as per the advice of esteem members of this forum, I contacted the so called BEST solicitor in UK re fare evasion and they advised to call TFL Prosecution and explain what happened and apologize and that should resolve the matter.

:(

How much did you pay for that awful advice?
 

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It was overpriced.

After such an awful advice, do you guys still think it is a good idea to hire a solicitor (a different one) to represent my case or shall I simply post the apology letter to TFL and ask for administrative settlement?
 

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After such an awful advice, do you guys still think it is a good idea to hire a solicitor (a different one) to represent my case or shall I simply post the apology letter to TFL and ask for administrative settlement?
Personally I wouldn't hire a solicitor unless and until TfL declines to offer an administrative settlement. However, as I said, that is a personal choice and you may prefer to have the degree of confidence that comes with a trained professional handling all correspondence.
 

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I contacted the so called BEST solicitor in UK re fare evasion. (

I guess that much will depend on who the supposed 'BEST solicitor in the U.K.' was reckoned to be. There are some excellent professionals available who will do their very best for their client in all cases.

My experience of dealing with a great many solicitors in these matters is that if their client has been clear and truthful to them in explaining what they did, then the solicitor will research any alleged offence and contact the company on behalf of the client.

In rare cases I have known a solicitor to suggest that the evidence in a case is so strong that an apology and attempt to mitigate the effect might be in the best interest of the alleged offender, but usually they will do that in representation
 

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It is finally resolved and paid a fine. So relieved now.

Many thanks for all your help guys, really appreciate it.

Cheers
 
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