Burnley v Chelsea footex

[Baxenden Bank]

That's a very accommodating way of things - "how dare you drink alcohol; I don't like football - how dare you talk about it". :roll: I'm sure people think the same when on a train and spotters are talking about trains loudly (as some do).

I think you deliberately misunderstand.

There is a difference between 'having a drink' and 'being drunk'. There is a difference between 'talking about football/trains' and 'screaming your head off' about football/trains to the discomfort of everyone else. Often to the discomfort and embarrassment of other football/train fans on the same train. Unfortunately there are enough football fans with something to prove to make Saturday train travel intolerable. In the old days of fixed 15.00 kick off you could avoid them, now it's not so easy. Special trains (for special people) are perhaps the answer.

 

[DarloRich]

I think you deliberately misunderstand.

There is a difference between 'having a drink' and 'being drunk'. There is a difference between 'talking about football/trains' and 'screaming your head off' about football/trains to the discomfort of everyone else. Often to the discomfort and embarrassment of other football/train fans on the same train. Unfortunately there are enough football fans with something to prove to make Saturday train travel intolerable. In the old days of fixed 15.00 kick off you could avoid them, now it's not so easy. Special trains (for special people) are perhaps the answer.

:roll: clueless. No understanding of the issues or the real problems with what is suggested.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

:roll: clueless. No understanding of the issues or the real problems with what is suggested.

Explain.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

:roll: Some of you really need to get out a bit more. :roll:

I didn't understand this one either.

 

[Kite159]

I think you deliberately misunderstand.

There is a difference between 'having a drink' and 'being drunk'. There is a difference between 'talking about football/trains' and 'screaming your head off' about football/trains to the discomfort of everyone else. Often to the discomfort and embarrassment of other football/train fans on the same train. Unfortunately there are enough football fans with something to prove to make Saturday train travel intolerable. In the old days of fixed 15.00 kick off you could avoid them, now it's not so easy. Special trains (for special people) are perhaps the answer.

Agreed, there is a difference between talking about subjects compared to shouting about the subject, or even singing rude/offensive songs

 

[roversfan2001]

Fair enough, there is a difference, I agree. However, why is this about football fans in particular? Rugby fans aren't known to be perfect either.

At the end of the day the railway is run for the benefit of the entire British public, there are bound to be several groups of people who don't behave themselves - all this lazy stereotyping will just make us go round in circles; some railfans get drunk on trains and disturb others, some football fans get drunk on trains and disturb others.

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[Kite159]

Fair enough, there is a difference, I agree. However, why is this about football fans in particular? Rugby fans aren't known to be perfect either.

At the end of the day the railway is run for the benefit of the entire British public, there are bound to be several groups of people who don't behave themselves - all this lazy stereotyping will just make us go round in circles; some railfans get drunk on trains and disturb others, some football fans get drunk on trains and disturb others.

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Agreed, football fans are not alone in being drunken & disorderly, for example trains departing Cheltenham/Chester/York etc after horse racing, trains departing after big rugby internationals/Army v Navy rugby. Trains at Wimbledon when the tennis is on.

Not to mention services departing large cities on Saturday nights during Christmas party season or even on pay-weekends can have some drunken behaviour on. Similar to some railtour goers can get drunk and cause hassle to those around them

 

[DarloRich]

Explain.

Just think about it. You said:

Special trains (for special people) are perhaps the answer

There are 92 league clubs in England. Football isnt like jolly ruggers or cricket with about 4 people showing up and no community or togetherness. On any weekend an average of nearly 68000 watch a league match in England. That is the top 4 leagues in England alone. For comparsion the average Rugby top flight crowd is 13500 - and that is increased by several big clubs attendance. That is on a is on a par with several League 1 clubs ( above the average for that league last year) and withdrawing those top rugby clubs (Saints/Tigers/Gloucester) it is often below many league 1 clubs.

How do you propose to move all of those people? I am sure you would prefer us to sit at home with our copies of Steam Railway and our cocoa but football fans will travel to away games and they will often travel in numbers. Many of them will use the train and they might have a drink (! ) I am sure that the revenue for the likes of XC or Northern is very welcome mind you.

There might be the ability/ flexibility in the system to run trains for 2 premier league games over a weekend if they are close to a main line station. What about the rest? Lets have your ideas.

PS You want to ban those people from travelling simply because they like football and sang a song near you once.:roll: Are you Colin Moynihan?

I didn't understand this one either.

several posters need to get out more and see what life is really like. They seem to live very sheltered lives. Hysterical wibbling about a bit of singing shows a complete lack of perspective.

 

[Darandio]

Happy to share with anyone. It is good to talk to people about different things. Even narrow minded spotters. Sometimes.

I've no doubt you would, the comment was more tongue in cheek than anything given my intended reply to them was much more incendiary.

 

[DarloRich]

I've no doubt you would, the comment was more tongue in cheek than anything given my intended reply to them was much more incendiary.

i know as was mine

 

[lejog]

One of the reasons that I stopped enjoying railtours was because a small minority of p**sheads was enough to make the trip unpleasant. And whilst many football supporters are sober, sensible people, I have encountered rather too many rowdy half-drunk loudmouths on service trains . None were actually violent, but I often found their behaviour / attitude a bit intinidating.

And as others comment, components crowds going home from other sporting events can be unpleasantly over-intoxicated.

So why make silly comments stereotyping football fans on a club chartered dry train? Any rowdy half-drunk loudmouths are in danger of losing their valuable membership/season ticket.

 

[lejog]

because everyone going to the match will be drunk????????????? :roll: ( which of course would never happen on a spotter tour) TBH most football fans wouldn't want to share their trains with hygienically challenged, relationship stunted, wibbling super spotters prattling on about the form of traction.

:roll: Some of you really need to get out a bit more. :roll:

I was tempted to say something similar when I posted my earlier reply, but as a typical football fan, I was far too polite.

 

[46223]

67014 at Castleton.

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Just think about it. You said:

Special trains (for special people) are perhaps the answer

There are 92 league clubs in England. Football isnt like jolly ruggers or cricket with about 4 people showing up and no community or togetherness. On any weekend an average of nearly 68000 watch a league match in England. That is the top 4 leagues in England alone. For comparsion the average Rugby top flight crowd is 13500 - and that is increased by several big clubs attendance. That is on a is on a par with several League 1 clubs ( above the average for that league last year) and withdrawing those top rugby clubs (Saints/Tigers/Gloucester) it is often below many league 1 clubs.

How do you propose to move all of those people? I am sure you would prefer us to sit at home with our copies of Steam Railway and our cocoa but football fans will travel to away games and they will often travel in numbers. Many of them will use the train and they might have a drink (! ) I am sure that the revenue for the likes of XC or Northern is very welcome mind you.

There might be the ability/ flexibility in the system to run trains for 2 premier league games over a weekend if they are close to a main line station. What about the rest? Lets have your ideas.

PS You want to ban those people from travelling simply because they like football and sang a song near you once.:roll: Are you Colin Moynihan?



several posters need to get out more and see what life is really like. They seem to live very sheltered lives. Hysterical wibbling about a bit of singing shows a complete lack of perspective.

I don't want to ban anyone, I merely want the football/train/knitting fans to understand that they are not the only people in the world, and that it is possible to enjoy a hobby/activity/sport without forcing it onto everyone else. Hysterical over-reaction to minor criticism of your hobby, and its negative impacts, also shows a lack of perspective. no?

 

[Flying Claret]

67014 at Castleton.

That must have taken a while to empty at Burnley MR, you'd only fit about 3carriages on the platform..

 

[MidnightFlyer]

That must have taken a while to empty at Burnley MR, you'd only fit about 3carriages on the platform..

Shown as having a 10 minute dwell on OTT. Of course, not all of that time may have been taken up by passenger alighting.

(See http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/U54832/2017-02-12 and http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/U54833/2017-02-12)

 

[MCR247]

I don't want to ban anyone, I merely want the football/train/knitting fans to understand that they are not the only people in the world, and that it is possible to enjoy a hobby/activity/sport without forcing it onto everyone else. Hysterical over-reaction to minor criticism of your hobby, and its negative impacts, also shows a lack of perspective. no?

In the same way that everyone wants to stop spotters from tresspassing and distrupting normal services every time a steam train runs :roll:

That doesn't mean we should tar everyone with the same brush

 

[lejog]

I don't want to ban anyone, I merely want the football/train/knitting fans to understand that they are not the only people in the world, and that it is possible to enjoy a hobby/activity/sport without forcing it onto everyone else. Hysterical over-reaction to minor criticism of your hobby, and its negative impacts, also shows a lack of perspective. no?

A lack of perspective? Sorry I can only speak for myself, but I was taking the **** out of the exact stereotyping you are now indulging in. In my view its people who make unqualified generalisations about football/train/knitting fans who lack perspective.

 

[DarloRich]

I don't want to ban anyone, I merely want the football/train/knitting fans to understand that they are not the only people in the world, and that it is possible to enjoy a hobby/activity/sport without forcing it onto everyone else. Hysterical over-reaction to minor criticism of your hobby, and its negative impacts, also shows a lack of perspective. no?

Being a football fan isnt merely a hobby like writing train numbers in a book. It is a life time commitment to slogging through seas of crap, pain and suffering interspersed with the odd massive high and a few moments of comedy gold. it is about belonging to a community and being part of something however nebulous that may be.

And you DO want to ban people because you wanted special trains for special people. Still waiting to hear from you with some proposals for that................

PS the people signing on the train really aren't the problem. Those of us who go to football know that!

 

[Baxenden Bank]

Being a football fan isnt merely a hobby like writing train numbers in a book. It is a life time commitment to slogging through seas of crap, pain and suffering interspersed with the odd massive high and a few moments of comedy gold. it is about belonging to a community and being part of something however nebulous that may be.

You do appreciate that you are being manipulated for commercial gain?

And you DO want to ban people because you wanted special trains for special people. Still waiting to hear from you with some proposals for that................

All those trains sat in sidings at the weekend, why don't they use those?

PS the people signing on the train really aren't the problem. Those of us who go to football know that!

If you do actually mean signing on the train, they definitely aren't the problem because without a driver and (generally speaking) a guard the train is going nowhere.

If you mean singing, I'm not sure what you mean except that every football fan I've ever encountered is as miserable as sin and it is the managers / players / owners fault - always. If only they themselves were manager / player / owner, things would be so much better. A bit like armchair experts running the rail network for you.

 

[Mag_seven]

Looks like there is a footex in connection with Swansea V Spurs tomorrow night:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U62605/2017/04/05/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U62608/2017/04/05/advanced

 

[philthetube]

How long was the train, and how long are the platforms at Burnley Manchester Road?

 

[Flying Claret]

How long was the train, and how long are the platforms at Burnley Manchester Road?

I don't know about the train. But the platforms at BMR are just long enough for a 3 car 158

 

[PHILIPE]

Looks like there is a footex in connection with Swansea V Spurs tomorrow night:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U62605/2017/04/05/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U62608/2017/04/05/advanced

67005 and 67006 TNT. Assume fleet of buses from Port Talbot to Liberty Stadium and return