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Nobody does that surely - just draw it out of a cash machine when you arrive. I would never think of taking currency abroad these days. Why bother?

Yes, this. Or pay by card and keep only a small sum of cash for when you can't. I've done this in all sorts of places.

Worth having 50 quid in GBP with you just in case there's an issue to tide you over, you can always change it at the airport (at a whacking fee) if it comes to it.
 
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if it isnt a security risk whack it on "the cloud" - easy access from any point with a web connection and no need to take your lappy

Exactly. And there are commercial services offering more security if needed.

I personally use MozyHome, a paid for service that does the job nicely. My work laptop's documents area is automatically synced with the network drives.
 

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Yes, this. Or pay by card and keep only a small sum of cash for when you can't. I've done this in all sorts of places.

Worth having 50 quid in GBP with you just in case there's an issue to tide you over, you can always change it at the airport (at a whacking fee) if it comes to it.

exactly. A float in cash and your card is all you need. Much easier to stomach and replace if your wallet gets dipped
 

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exactly. A float in cash and your card is all you need. Much easier to stomach and replace if your wallet gets dipped

Even better have a card (ideally a credit card with a decent limit) hidden somewhere other than your pocket, e.g. in your bag or hotel safe, so if your wallet does get nicked you can buy yourself out of trouble.
 

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I (used to) know a graphic designer - or something like that - whose whole work was kept on her laptop, hopefully she had back-up or cloud storage! - and she would travel to clients with it.
Just imagine the worry if your life's work was in the hands of baggage destroyers - you had to pay more for the privilege, and when you arrived at your client's address the laptop wasn't there....

I imagine she would also have had specialist software installed on that laptop and it wouldn't a straight forward process to get the licence cancelled for the software installed on the stolen laptop and a new one for installing the software on a new laptop without having to pay for the software again.
 

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I personally use MozyHome, a paid for service that does the job nicely. My work laptop's documents area is automatically synced with the network drives.
I strongly suggest using a different service if your files are 'mission critical'. They don't have the level of redundancy that you would expect from a cloud service provider.
 

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Even better have a card (ideally a credit card with a decent limit) hidden somewhere other than your pocket, e.g. in your bag or hotel safe, so if your wallet does get nicked you can buy yourself out of trouble.

The thing to be careful is if charges. It's easy to find a credit card which allows you to make foreign currency transactions without any charges but a cash advance (i.e. withdrawing from an ATM) would normally incur a charge. With debit cards the providers are a lot more likely to charge for foreign currency transactions. Also while you can tell your card provider you may use your card abroad that doesn't guarantee it won't be blocked while you are away so it would be foolish to go away with just one card and no cash.

Where possible I usually book things like rail tickets from home before going (even if there's no discount for booking in advance) as personalised print@home tickets aren't useful to thieves and it avoids having to queue at some places where pickpockets may be operating.
 

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I imagine she would also have had specialist software installed on that laptop and it wouldn't a straight forward process to get the licence cancelled for the software installed on the stolen laptop and a new one for installing the software on a new laptop without having to pay for the software again.

It is a very easy process to do this as people buy new laptops all the time.
 

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if it isnt a security risk whack it on "the cloud" - easy access from any point with a web connection and no need to take your lappy

I imagine there must be a reason for taking the laptop, other than just the work on it e.g. if she was planning to work on other projects while away or perhaps show the client the initial designs, get their feedback and implement it and then go back to the client with amended designs before returning home.
 

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It is a very easy process to do this as people buy new laptops all the time.

Having experience with Adobe software I know on the latest version you can log in to the creative cloud from any computer and deactivate the software on any computer you've previously installed it on, then download and activate the software on the new computer. However, with older versions (which some people still use due to the cost of upgrading) the software was on a DVD-ROM with a serial number on the box and if you tried to install the software on a new computer once you'd activated all the licences you purchased you either needed to open the software on the old computer and select deactivate from one of the menu options or if that wasn't possible then you had to phone up Adobe customer service and try to get someone in India who didn't speak fluent English to give you a new activation code.
 

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Having experience with Adobe software I know on the latest version you can log in to the creative cloud from any computer and deactivate the software on any computer you've previously installed it on, then download and activate the software on the new computer. However, with older versions (which some people still use due to the cost of upgrading) the software was on a DVD-ROM with a serial number on the box and if you tried to install the software on a new computer once you'd activated all the licences you purchased you either needed to open the software on the old computer and select deactivate from one of the menu options or if that wasn't possible then you had to phone up Adobe customer service and try to get someone in India who didn't speak fluent English to give you a new activation code.

Still a relatively easy process.
 

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It's more a secondary off site backup in addition to a hard drive in my home safe. For that the ease of use is good. Unless you can think of another such service at a similar price?
SharePoint Online offers 1TB (I think) of storage for £3.80/mth + VAT.
 

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An opportunity for the railways to capitalise if short-haul face these restrictions in future??

No.

Seriously think the EU should come down with a law that states every passenger can have 5kg for free in the hold. That would be plenty for laptops, liquids and a GPS device to find out where your bag's gone.

I'm sure they will, contact your MEP for it. If enough of us agree it will become a regulation

Oh wait, we're leaving the EU. Oh well, perhaps write a letter to the daily mail.

Hold luggage is dropped subject to impact testing, rifled through subject to enhanced tactile inspection, and frequently lost often given diverse routing, so is less attractive as an attack vector.

Genuine LOL :D

Yes, this. Or pay by card and keep only a small sum of cash for when you can't. I've done this in all sorts of places.

Worth having 50 quid in GBP with you just in case there's an issue to tide you over, you can always change it at the airport (at a whacking fee) if it comes to it.

If travelling outside of EU/US/certain far east countries, I'd suggest £50 and $50, possibly €50 too, stored in at least 2 locations. However Howard's point of putting £1000 in the hold. Some people have trousers that cost that much. To me, losing a laptop in a hold costs time -- you need to find a store in your destination city, buy a new laptop, find some decent internet connectivity, and reprovision your laptop (restoring files etc). All of this costs a ton of time, if you've flown to Cairo or Amaan for 48 hours to visit a client, you're screwed. Fortunately this doesn't apply to the outbound leg, only the inbound leg, so much of that goes away for UK citizens.

The alternative of course is to fly with KLM or Lufthansa and bypass the ban.


Washington Post have an alternative take
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-underlying-story/?utm_term=.cd2df94d4253
It may not be about security. Three of the airlines that have been targeted for these measures — Emirates, Etihad Airways and Qatar Airways — have long been accused by their U.S. competitors of receiving massive effective subsidies from their governments. These airlines have been quietly worried for months that President Trump was going to retaliate. This may be the retaliation.

These three airlines, as well as the other airlines targeted in the order, are likely to lose a major amount of business from their most lucrative customers — people who travel in business class and first class. Business travelers are disproportionately likely to want to work on the plane — the reason they are prepared to pay business-class or first-class fares is because it allows them to work in comfort. These travelers are unlikely to appreciate having to do all their work on smartphones, or not being able to work at all. The likely result is that many of them will stop flying on Gulf airlines, and start traveling on U.S. airlines instead.

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In this context, the United States is plausibly leveraging its control over access to U.S. airports, which are central “nodes” in the global network of air travel between different destinations. It is using this control to attack the key vulnerabilities of other networked actors, by going after the central nodes in their networks (the hub airports) and potentially severely damaging them.

If there's an element of protectionism occurring against the big 3 gulf carriers (which are all excellent, and cheap), I don't expect it to go away any time soon.

Flights to the US often attract extra security overseen by the US government at the gate, in addition to local airport security - and that's even from the UK. BA do the same thing from some airports (Last time I went to Nairobi for example). In that case, why is the cabin security situation for an American Airlines flight from Dubai to New York any different for an Emirates flight from Dubai to New York? Any why isn't Dubai included in the UK's clampdown?
 

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From a friend who works in the airline business

This has to be the most half-baked "security" measure I've ever heard of.

If this is truly a response to specific terrorist threats then we have to assume that we're in big trouble because our security services have lost the plot and don't know what they are doing.

Before anyone accuses me of being some whiny liberal who think its awful the muslims are being picked on. Well. No. If this is as serious a threat as it would seem to be then do the security job properly. Don't mess about doing something so ineffective.

After hearing what both the US and UK governments have put in place, I could think off the top of my head at least 8 or so ways that any terrorist with half a brain could get round these measures if they wanted to.

If this threat is credible and really serious then the measures have to cover ALL inbound US and UK international flights. I'd rather they didn't of course, but if not then there's so many ways a clever terrorist could get round this. The fact that it doesn't suggests either its a populist measure, utter panic or that the people in charge really are clueless....
 
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Going abroad I take £200-400 cash in Euros (and cards) - cards bring huge add-on fees unless you go through the bother of getting specific ones, and fees at ATM's too, plus you are on a day trip, find just the hat you want, go to pay and the reader's down....

I pay hotels in cash and they don't bat an eyelid as (a) the holidays are usually short currently and (b) I think they are used to Germans paying in cash, dunno if that still applies these days though.

The good thing about cash is there are no unexpected surprises on your credit card bill, ie transaction fees, % currency conversion etc etc.
 

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From a friend who works in the airline business

I read that it's possible to bring a plane down using stuff bought airside. Example, DVD's when broken are as sharp as a knife, you can buy a lighter and a bottle of brandy or similar??
 

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An opportunity for the railways to capitalise if short-haul face these restrictions in future??

I saw the Channel 4 Travelman program where Kathy Burke was the guest. She has a fear of flying so travelled from London to Barcelona by train and commented that she didn't realise it so easy to get to Barcelona by train. However, for most people who don't have a fear of flying I imagine they'd see the train as inconvenient, especially if they are making a longer journey e.g. Newcastle to Malaga and have to make more changes. Therefore, even if people see the airline restrictions as inconvenient do they choose the fast inconvenient option or the slow inconvenient option? I think fast usually beats slow unless other factors come in to play.
 
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I read that it's possible to bring a plane down using stuff bought airside. Example, DVD's when broken are as sharp as a knife, you can buy a lighter and a bottle of brandy or similar??

Of course it is. Poor the brandy everywhere, light it on fire, smash the bottle and you've got a sharp weapon. There's a reason it's called security theatre. When it applies on eurostar too, it really takes the p
 

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Sounds very reasonable, but does it have software to handle selected-folder backups in the way Mozy does?
It's not so much a backup solution as using the the OneDrive client to define folders that will be kept in sync with the cloud.
 

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It's not so much a backup solution as using the the OneDrive client to define folders that will be kept in sync with the cloud.

Ah, probably not what I want, then. I already use Google Drive and Dropbox for specific purposes, but for backup I just want an invisible off-site backup solution.

Anyway we've gone rather OT so I'll leave it there.
 
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I pretty much agree entirely with the Washington Post here.

I think it is a deeply cynical move by the US to give a boot to the ME3 carriers.

It'll be interesting to see what the next steps are. I can see the ME3 deciding that they don't want Boeing planes anymore...

The thing is the ME3 don't directly compete with US airlines, there are few routes from the US where it makes sense to fly via the middle east - mainly Southern/Eastern Africa and India. The bulk of the US market is domestic, to Europe, and to the far east, and Emirates and co don't really compete there.

European airlines have far more to fear, as well as those two areas there's also the far east and austrailia.
 

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I saw the Channel 4 Travelman program where Kathy Burke was the guest. She has a fear of flying so travelled from London to Barcelona by train and commented that she didn't realise it so easy to get to Barcelona by train. However, for most people who don't have a fear of flying I imagine they'd see the train as inconvenient, especially if they are making a longer journey e.g. Newcastle to Malaga and have to make more changes. Therefore, even if people see the airline restrictions as inconvenient do they choose the fast inconvenient option or the slow inconvenient option? I think fast usually beats slow unless other factors come in to play.

I've thought of that option when I finally retire and start to use my *must do* trips. First class train to London, then Paris, then Barcelona, across the Med to Menorca or Ibiza, and back.

As for now, when I'm on the Med it's an option for the return journey should the flights be down - but as it is flying's such a headache now it's probably worth the extra time.

Note - I wish there was a direct train connection Denia - Barcelona as Denia is the nearest/quickest port from Ibiza.
 
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