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Northern Rail to hand back 153's

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XCTurbostar

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Easiest thing to do here is to refurbish both one with a DDA compliant bog and the other without. Keep the cabs but permanently couple them together. Either way you've got to refurbish them to meet the DDA compliance.

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Ross
 
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The outgoing carriages vary in length from 15.5m to 23.0m while the incoming carriages vary in length from 19.8m to 23.8m so giving two totals of carriages would give a misleading figure if you want to know how much extra capacity they'll be.

I did the calculations on an excel spreadsheet based on franchise arrangements confirmed at the time. Since deleted by accident and cant be bothered doing again.

Found a message with it in.

Total units goes from 340 to 367 so that is only a 7.9% increase.

Total carriages goes from 780 to 941 so that is higher 20.6% increase.

Total length of all carriages goes from 15.5km to 20.7km so that is even bigger a 33.8% increase. Not taking into account longer units with less cab space proportionally.

There has been some changes since i did these calcs but i doubt it will change the percentages much.
 

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The current plan has the 7 155s being retained, though that possibly might change based on the poor condition of the first unit sent for overhaul.

Worth remembering with the 155s that once one set has had the work completed then they've done 14% of all the 155s. If each 150 required 6 months or more out-of-service to keep them in service then they'd have a major problem but with the 155s it would be a slight nuisance if each set required 6 months out-of-service.
 

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Easiest thing to do here is to refurbish both one with a DDA compliant bog and the other without. Keep the cabs but permanently couple them together. Either way you've got to refurbish them to meet the DDA compliance.

Thanks,
Ross

The easiest thing to do here is to replace them before 2020, that way there's no reason to do anything with them...
 
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If you look along the side of one there is an obvious bowing effect, though that's been the case for years and I'm not sure it's got any worse. A bit like 170s have always had a slightly disconcerting bounce in the middle on poor track that does feel like body flex (may not actually be that though).

I live in Bristol and I remember the 155s being delivered for use on the Pompeys. Even when brand new, the bodies were distinctly bent, the middle of the carriage being very noticeably lower than the ends.

I remain sceptical about this- I know the visual effect you both refer to, but to me it seems to be an optical illusion caused by a long bodyshell with lots of small windows. I certainly wouldn't say it was "obvious".
 

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Good riddance I say to the trains designed by a dwarf. Let's hope the similar rust bucket 155's prove uneconomic to refresh.
I can't see the economics of spending much money on any 30+ year old trains let alone these.
The Leyland national bus body which the 142, 153 and 155 was based had a design life of 15-18 years.
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The lifespan of a bus is generally regarded as 14 - 15 years. However, during the Post Deregulation era of the early to mid 1990s when operators were cash strapped, there was a lot of ingenuity in refurbishing older vehicles.

With all of the pressures created by Deregulation, some operators began refurbishing their Nationals for extended service, often fitting DAF or Volvo engines. The riveted body parts were easily replaced. In some cases a vehicle could be repaired and returned to service on the same day.

Since the Leyland National had an advanced integral structure which generally remained sound, East Lancs Coachbuilders rebuilt a lot of Nationals as ' National Greenways'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lancs_Greenway .

In the mid 1990s London and Country re-engined with a much less expensive "Urban Bus" refit, that retained the original National look but with updated design concepts and a Cummins B series engine coupled to an Allison auto gearbox (as fitted to the Dennis Dart).

These refurbishments ensured many Leyland Nationals stayed in service well past 18 years of age.

From what others have written, the National based bodies on the Class 142s are in very poor condition after 30+ years of service, yet the aluminium bodies on the Class 143s and 144s (that were built by Wally Alexander Coachbuilders), are in much better condition. Had there been a life extension of the Class 142s, then the National Greenway refurbishment concept could have probably been applied to them.

An opportunity missed on the railways was a Pacer based on the National's successor, the Lynx and the Metro Cammell Class 151 Sprinter.
 
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