Fatal level crossing incident, Gloucestershire

[BestWestern]

I would urge you all to watch this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08cw4bc/points-west-evening-news-08022017

Just watched the report, and unless I missed something it gives no further information - merely that the driver of the vehicle had a key to unlock the crossing and that the telephone should have been used.

 

[Pete_uk]

I found it interesting that the BTP had people on hands and knees combing the crash site. What would they be looking for?

Also, did they end up having to use the cutting equipment to saperate the landy from the train?

 

[PHILIPE]

I found it interesting that the BTP had people on hands and knees combing the crash site. What would they be looking for?

Also, did they end up having to use the cutting equipment to saperate the landy from the train?

Cutting equipment had to be used,

 

[furnessvale]

I found it interesting that the BTP had people on hands and knees combing the crash site. What would they be looking for?

Often, until you find it, you don't know.

 

[D1009]

To me it looks like a case of familiarity breeding contempt, but as others have said, let's wait for the report.

 

[JN114]

To me it looks like a case of familiarity breeding contempt, but as others have said, let's wait for the report.

It should be remembered that a full report will only come if there's a safety lesson for the industry to come out of it - and unfortunately it doesn't look like there is in this case. The best we can probably hope for is a 1 page safety digest as per the Paddington derailment.

 

[GB]

It should be remembered that a full report will only come if there's a safety lesson for the industry to come out of it - and unfortunately it doesn't look like there is in this case.

If that is the case surely that should be fortunately rather than unfortunately?

 

[dviner]

If that is the case surely that should be fortunately rather than unfortunately?

No it should be unfortunately.

Remember: someone died here - if there's nothing to learn from this, then someone else could die for the same reasons.

Is life so cheap that you can just say "Oh dear, how sad, never mind" and move on?

 

[GB]

No it should be unfortunately.

Remember: someone died here - if there's nothing to learn from this, then someone else could die for the same reasons.

Is life so cheap that you can just say "Oh dear, how sad, never mind" and move on?

If theres nothing to learn or nothing to improve then yes, as sad as it is you do have to move on.

 

[dviner]

If theres nothing to learn or nothing to improve then yes, as sad as it is you do have to move on.

Still nothing "fortunate" about it.

 

[GB]

Still nothing "fortunate" about it.

The accident itself was unfortunate. Culpability for said accident from the railways point of view is it is fortunate it was not at fault....IF that is the case.

 

[dviner]

The accident itself was unfortunate. Culpability for said accident from the railways point of view is it is fortunate it was not at fault....IF that is the case.

Missing the point here.

It should be remembered that a full report will only come if there's a safety lesson for the industry to come out of it - and unfortunately it doesn't look like there is in this case.

If that is the case surely that should be fortunately rather than unfortunately?

If there is a safety lesson to be learned from this incident, then at least its possible that a similar incident can be prevented. That would be fortunate.

If there is no safety lesson to be learned, then you've got someone who is dead.

Culpability doesn't enter into it.

 

[bnm]

I suspect there will be a full report by the RAIB.

Despite the changes made to this crossing following a fatality in 2014, there has been another incident resulting in the death of a crossing user. Where the fault or culpability lies is not the prime motivation for an RAIB investigation.

Were all the previous RAIB recommendations implemented? Was the correct procedure being followed by crossing users? Was a clear understanding reached between user and signaller in this incident? Was that call even made?

And in answer to those and other questions - if not, why not?

All within the remit of the RAIB. Even if it turns out that the user in this incident was at fault, the railway has a role in protecting the public from themselves, and doing all it can to mitigate their actions. A full report will go some way to achieving that.

 

[D1009]

All within the remit of the RAIB. Even if it turns out that the user in this incident was at fault, the railway has a role in protecting the public from themselves, and doing all it can to mitigate their actions. A full report will go some way to achieving that.

I got the impression from reading this thread that the crossing had effectively ceased to be public following the 2014 fatality.

 

[Llanigraham]

I got the impression from reading this thread that the crossing had effectively ceased to be public following the 2014 fatality.

To vehicular traffic, yes, but not to walkers