Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[Class377/5]

Sadly, this is not the case. You have a strong tendency to berate people (often in a rather garbled manner, too) for a multitude of reasons. It would be good if some members did not become so defensive and curt to other members over so many issues.

Decided to delete.

 

[bramling]

Yet again this forum hates those who know what they are talking about (que the attacks on me again).

I think the difficulty is that lots of people on here know what they're talking about, and my impression is you seem to have a problem with this.

Despite us having clashed on many occasions, I for one welcome your postings, your facts, your views and your opinions. However that doesn't mean one has to agree, and this is where there seems to be a problem. Just post what you believe to be facts, and let people make up their own minds - no one can have a problem with this.

 

[Class377/5]

I think the difficulty is that lots of people on here know what they're talking about, and my impression is you seem to have a problem with this.

Despite us having clashed on many occasions, I for one welcome your postings, your facts, your views and your opinions. However that doesn't mean one has to agree, and this is where there seems to be a problem. Just post what you believe to be facts, and let people make up their own minds - no one can have a problem with this.

We have certainly had our animated discussions that I have also found interesting and made me consider things you have presented. Perhaps I need some time to think about things away from here.

 

[spark001uk]

I understand one's frustration sometimes when someone doesn't know what you know, or understand something the way you do, but the main thing is that when here we stick to the forum rules we've agreed to, in particular the very first of them (quoted in last post); ie. remain friendly and respectful.

I think it's something we should just all agree to and move on, no? Life's too short to be angry!

 

[Class377/5]

New diagrams folks, note there are now 11x RLU 8 cars as well as 11x FLU 12 cars in service now.

11x RLU & 11x RLU& 11x RLU

TB401
5W78 03+38 Three Bridge Depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K37 09+31 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham
2O94 18.11 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Streatham via Mitcham
5O48 22+31 Streatham to Sutton via Mitcham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to St Bedford via Wimbledon
5G48 01+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB402
5W01 05+20 Down Yard to Brighton
1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W45 14.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17.05 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W61 19.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W62 22+22 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB403 MO
5G87 06+20 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H87 06.34 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 08.02 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
2W27 09.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W36 12.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W43 15.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W54 18.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W67 21.10 Bedford to Brighton
5W67 23+53 Brighton to Brighton Down Yard

TB403
2W86 02.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5G86 03.31 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G87 06+20 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H87 06.34 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 08.02 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
2W27 09.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W36 12.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W43 15.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W54 18.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W67 21.10 Bedford to Brighton
5W67 23+53 Brighton to Brighton Down Yard

TB404 MO
5G09 05+37 Bedford CS to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB404 TWO
5G85 00+28 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W85 00.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W88 03.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB404 ThFO
5G85 00+28 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W85 00.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W88 03.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding
5G83 23+24 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W83 23.40 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB405
5G77 02+08 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W77 02.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W92 04.50 Three Bridge to Bedford
1E64 07.16 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 09.42 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J75 11+11 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A33 11+42 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E33 11.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E51 13.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J51 14+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5J47 15+13 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E47 15.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E98 17.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G98 19+24 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB406
5G95 07+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
1V95 07.44 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V24 09.38 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5K49 10+59 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O49 11.14 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O50 12.37 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V79 14.44 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
1V80 16.38 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
2V29 18.36 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V30 20.42 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5J30 22+01 St Albans to Cricklewood South Sidings via Center Siding

TB407
5H19 06+58 Cricklewood South Sidings to Luton
2E19 07.46 Luton to Sevenoaks
5E19 09+48 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z13 13+37 Sevenoaks CHS to Blackfriars
5Z14 14+58 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks CHS
5E63 16+25 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E63 16.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
2O35 19.14 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O36 21.17 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G36 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB408 FSX
5G90 07+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H91 07.12 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G84 08.41 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1J99 10.20 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E99 11+32 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham Sidings
3E73 16+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G73 16.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G25 17+40 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2V25 17.54 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V26 20.12 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB408 ThFO
5G90 07+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H91 07.12 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G84 08.41 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1J99 10.20 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E99 11+32 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham Sidings
3E73 16+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G73 16.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G25 17+40 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2V25 17.54 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V26 20.12 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Brighton
5W73 01+14 Brighton to Brighton Down Yard

TB409
5A05 05+42 Cricklewood Sidings to West Hampstead
2E05 05.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E65 07.36 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J65 09+10 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Sidings
5A43 14+10 Cricklewood Sidings to West Hampstead
2E43 14.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E61 16.00 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K21 17+53 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2V21 18.06 St Albans to Sutton
2V22 19.42 Sutton to St Albans
5J22 21+01 St Albans to Cricklewood Sidings

TB410
5H09 04+54 Cricklewood Sidings to Luton
2E09 06.04 Luton to Sevenoaks
1E67 08.24 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G62 09+31 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G03 15+35 Bedford CS to Bedford
1E03 15.54 Bedford to Sevenoaks
1E67 18.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G67 21+02 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB411
5H91 05+52 Bedford CS to Luton
2E91 06.42 Luton to Bromley South
1E65 08.18 Bromley South to Bedford
5G65 10+13 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G07 16+21 Bedford CS to Bedford via North End Siding
1E07 16.56 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 19.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J75 20+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood South Sidings

TB501
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 02.40 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Yard
5B38 14+42 Down Yard to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.42 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB502 MTWO
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
5Y83 23+24 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W83 23.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W83 02+10 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB502 ThFO
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB503
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5U62 22+00 Bedford to Cauldwell Depot

TB504
5W02 05+07 Brighton Down Yard to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505 MO
5Y84 03+48 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Bedford St Johns Goods Loop
1W71 21.52 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W82 00+04 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Three Bridges Depot
2W82 00.34 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y82 03+11 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505 TWO
2W84 01.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y84 03+46 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Bedford St Johns Goods Loop
1W71 21.52 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W82 00+04 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Three Bridges Depot
2W82 00.34 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y82 03+11 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505 ThFO
2W84 01.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y84 03+46 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Bedford St Johns Goods Loop
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Down Yard

TB506
5W06 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Brighton
1W06 06.06 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W39 14.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 17.01 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 19+33 Bedford to Jowett

TB507
5Y93 07+04 Jowett to Bedford
1W93 07.30 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W39 12.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W48 15+09 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Depot
2W48 15.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W59 18.00 Bedford to Gatwick
2W64 20.18 Gatwick to Bedford
2W79 22.40 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB508
5G85 05+46 Cauldwell Depot to Bedford
1W85 06.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 09.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 11.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W51 17.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W62 20.03 Brighton to Bedford
2W81 23.10 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W81 01+36 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB509
5Y19 07+22 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W19 07.48 Bedford to Gatwick Airport
2W26 10.08 Gatwick Airport to Bedford
1W33 12.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W90 15.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 18.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21.05 Brighton to Bedford
5Y66 23+50 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB510
5Y02 03+15 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W03 03.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 06.57 Brighton to Bedford
1W21 09.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 15.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W84 18.07 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W65 20.40 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23.37 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 02+44 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB511
5Y87 01+08 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W87 01.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W90 04.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W89 06.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y35 12+16 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W35 13.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W94 16.02 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.33 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 00+18 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

 

[Blindtraveler]

Thanks to all posters in the know on here but especially 377/5 for the considderable effort he makes for the forum

 

[physics34]

Thanks to all posters in the know on here but especially 377/5 for the considderable effort he makes for the forum

its just a copy and paste job.... lol...

only joking...always good to have the info on here from the reliable sources such as 377/5

 

[spark001uk]

Pasted or not, thanks anyway. Nice to see the list growing!

 

[Class377/5]

its just a copy and paste job.... lol...

only joking...always good to have the info on here from the reliable sources such as 377/5

Actually all the diagrams are hand typed by myself and I check as much as I can against the variations for that week so not cut and paste but over an hours work at least per update.

 

[spark001uk]

Actually all the diagrams are hand typed by myself and I check as much as I can against the variations for that week so not cut and paste but over an hours work at least per update.

And grateful we are too, thanks for taking the trouble each time. :thumbsup:

However in his defence he did state it was in jest.!

 

[samuelmorris]

I find myself wondering - is there a way that diagrams like these could be sticked somewhere so the posts could be edited rather than having to produce a new post every time? As it stands I basically find the next train's headcode and search this thread to see if it comes up - it works well enough, but it would presumably save you a lot of effort!

I'm strongly hoping someone with similar dedication will be able to offer something similar for the Class 345 rollout. Class377/5's info has been invaluable for someone who actually quite likes the new units

 

[physics34]

Actually all the diagrams are hand typed by myself and I check as much as I can against the variations for that week so not cut and paste but over an hours work at least per update.

really? Typed on your system at work and then copy and pasted on here?!

Good job though.

 

[Class377/5]

really? Typed on your system at work and then copy and pasted on here?!

Good job though.

God no, no time there (and I use a two screen set up at home to do it).

Thanks

Will update on the next set of diagrams hopefully a bit sooner.

 

[Wivenswold]

Apologies for not reading back beyond a few pages, but I wondered whether there is an ETA for their introduction onto GN? I assume long before the 717s appear.

 

[D365]

Apologies for not reading back beyond a few pages, but I wondered whether there is an ETA for their introduction onto GN? I assume long before the 717s appear.

May 2017 I believe they will begin running into Kings Cross.

 

[Class377/5]

Apologies for not reading back beyond a few pages, but I wondered whether there is an ETA for their introduction onto GN? I assume long before the 717s appear.

Wont be that much of a delay before the first 700 is in service on GN and first 717 arriving.

 

[urpert]

Thanks again to Class377/5 for the diagrams. I was out and about more than usual on the Catford Loop this weekend and found myself wondering where they all go at weekends (it's still pretty solid 319s at weekends)!

 

[ComUtoR]

Thanks again to Class377/5 for the diagrams. I was out and about more than usual on the Catford Loop this weekend and found myself wondering where they all go at weekends (it's still pretty solid 319s at weekends)!

Mostly driven by SE Drivers at the weekends. ALL their diagrams still have 319 shown and only a handful have been trained so far on 700's

 

[fusionblue]

Is there any reason why SE started 700 training recently, especially given that the rest of the network has had 700s for some months already (so the need to train drivers is pretty immediate)?

 

[The Box Photter]

Diagram TB405 was covered by 2x319 this morning (at least the 0716 Bedford to Sevenoaks) - class 700 problem ?

 

[urpert]

Diagram TB405 was covered by 2x319 this morning (at least the 0716 Bedford to Sevenoaks) - class 700 problem ?

Funny, I spotted that too. But my usual train (0550 West Hampstead - Sevenoaks) has gone 700 having been 377/5 since New Year. The heating works really well!

 

[Class377/5]

Is there any reason why SE started 700 training recently, especially given that the rest of the network has had 700s for some months already (so the need to train drivers is pretty immediate)?

Because SE training was always second to GTR training needs. Remember we aren't at the 100% of Thameslink drivers ready for 700s just yet so all efforts have been there.

The training diagram has the advantages of allowing training to be delivered hands on.

Diagram TB405 was covered by 2x319 this morning (at least the 0716 Bedford to Sevenoaks) - class 700 problem ?

Few issues overnight plus some alterations due to Core block mixing with new diagrams.

 

[ComUtoR]

Because SE training was always second to GTR training needs.

And that its a few months behind schedule and that a fair portion of SE Drivers will still be trained on 700's before many Thameslink Drivers are. I would also add that the Sevenoaks route isn't really a priority so SE didn't need to train the Drivers as there was little need. Now 700's are finally seeing the loop there is a need.

 

[theageofthetra]

And that its a few months behind schedule and that a fair portion of SE Drivers will still be trained on 700's before many Thameslink Drivers are. I would also add that the Sevenoaks route isn't really a priority so SE didn't need to train the Drivers as there was little need. Now 700's are finally seeing the loop there is a need.

Had a couple of TL route learning the other day Orpington-Sevenoaks in case of diversion. They seemed surprised at how bad adhesion was and given I was born in Sevenoaks and know the quirks of the area well how you can get get totally different weather (fog/ice/snow etc) either side of Polhill tunnel.

 

[ComUtoR]

They seemed surprised at how bad adhesion was

Leaf fall season is effectively over and its just the winter slips now. Even then, we still suffer quite badly. Over the water slip is almost non existent. There is some, but nothing like what happens SE side.

I was told by a Thameslink DI that their side on a bad day is like a normal day for us

I think we won't see how these go through leaf fall till next year. So far, other than various door issues and the constant fear the bloody thing will break down randomly, Drivers seem to like them. I don't think we have seen their true nature yet. Its gonna be fun driving them that's for sure.

 

[Deepgreen]

Interesting yesterday on the 1638 Blackfriars to Three Bridges, with the PIS from Blackfriars showing the calling pattern as London Bridge, Redhill, Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges - rather premature! Then, at East Croydon, Redhill disappeared from the displayed pattern! The driver had to announce corrections. I think it was 700117.

 

[Class377/5]

Interesting yesterday on the 1638 Blackfriars to Three Bridges, with the PIS from Blackfriars showing the calling pattern as London Bridge, Redhill, Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges - rather premature! Then, at East Croydon, Redhill disappeared from the displayed pattern! The driver had to announce corrections. I think it was 700117.

700117 hasn't even started testing at Wildenrath yet. In fact it's not a live train.

If could have been 700107 or 700017.

 

[JonathanH]

Interesting yesterday on the 1638 Blackfriars to Three Bridges, with the PIS from Blackfriars showing the calling pattern as London Bridge, Redhill, Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges - rather premature! Then, at East Croydon, Redhill disappeared from the displayed pattern! The driver had to announce corrections. I think it was 700117.

Count yourself lucky you were on the 1638 from Blackfriars. The 1658 from Blackfriars (1550 from Bedford) developed a fault at Crystal Palace leading to all its passengers being detrained there. It went on to Three Bridges depot empty about 30 minutes afterwards. The return working appears to have picked up again at Three Bridges but don't know whether that was the same unit or not.

 

[Deepgreen]

700117 hasn't even started testing at Wildenrath yet. In fact it's not a live train.

If could have been 700107 or 700017.

Thanks - it must have been 107 then, as it was 12 cars.

 

[Deepgreen]

Count yourself lucky you were on the 1638 from Blackfriars. The 1658 from Blackfriars (1550 from Bedford) developed a fault at Crystal Palace leading to all its passengers being detrained there. It went on to Three Bridges depot empty about 30 minutes afterwards. The return working appears to have picked up again at Three Bridges but don't know whether that was the same unit or not.

Ouch! RTT gives "a problem with the on-board safety systems" as the reason for curtailment. Any idea what this actually was?

BTW, I forgot mention before that the 1638 ran oddly slowly (40mph-ish) from Blackfriars under green signals, and absolutely crawled through the Tulse Hill - East Croydon section, under a mixture of yellows, double yellows, and greens. Even under greens we hardly got above 15mph. When we reached Redhill, the door buttons in the last coach showed out of service for about 20 seconds before releasing, so we had to move forward to alight.