Bletchleyite
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Brand-new Class 172s had a habit, a while ago, of spontaneously combusting...similar issue maybe?
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Creation of class 230 DEMUs from ex-LU D78s by Vivarail
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The most likely times for an engine to blow up are when it's brand new, and when it's got a few tens of thousands of hours service. The people who really matter (not us) know this.
I missed the word "report" off of "RAIB Investigation Report" - it's been a long day! I Agree there will certainly be an investigation, whether the public will see the result of that or not was the point I was making.
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[OT] Lewis Hamilton knows this as well.
northwichcat
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The key difference is Pacers are in everyday use and 97% haven't caught fire this year. While for the 230s 0% of them haven't caught fire and 0% of them have run services with fare paying passengers on board. This fire is a much bigger issue for Vivarail than a Pacer fire would be for Angel/Porterbrook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUr44fmhnvw
Not sure how to properly embed the video but here's one posted earlier of the incident.
Not sure how to properly embed the video but here's one posted earlier of the incident.
Interior doesn't look too badly damaged from that video.
gimmea50anyday
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Oh dear!!! I actually had high hopes for this concept and still do. However this will not look good by any respects.
I have always said give them a chance to succeed, give them an opportunity to fail. At least the doubters can now say it failed in spectacular style!
I have always said give them a chance to succeed, give them an opportunity to fail. At least the doubters can now say it failed in spectacular style!
Have to agree, it doesn't look all that damaged and looks mainly to be smoke damage/soot which given that it is diesel powered if any of the diesel caught on fire that is exactly what I would have thought would happen due to diesel being 'sooty'. Hopefully at most the engine/engine raft is damaged and a replacement one fitted.
TT-ONR-NRN
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What's really annoying is that they won't be able to launch it for ages now
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southern442
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It feels in a way like the death of the APT
Except much quicker
Was there any footage of it in service?
TT-ONR-NRN
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Not to change the subject but when are the D Stock going to be completely withdrawn from the Underground or have they already been withdrawn
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There's plenty of it on youtube.
A dedicated discussions thread exists on the "London Underground" sub-forum.
Not surprised, sadly. I feel for Adrian and his team and hope it'll recover from this. Certainly the only visible damage at the moment looks to be to the engine raft area - the bodyside looks superficial with smoke damage to the vinyl.
To be fair, this wasn't the only disruption to XC today and all in all it's been a worse day for them. First of all the SWML was closed between Eastleigh and Basingstoke due to a body found on the line, This at Kenilworth, and a Tresspass near New Street.
A very unfortunate setback, but as others have said hopefully not something that will kill the project off, though it will probably delay its entry into service by a few months at least. With other projects in the pipeline like the 319 Flex, losing time and momentum certainly won't be good news for Vivarail.
Certainly from the video it looks like a fairly minor engine failure which was dealt with promptly. I wonder what form the extinguisher systems on the train take?
Certainly from the video it looks like a fairly minor engine failure which was dealt with promptly. I wonder what form the extinguisher systems on the train take?
That, to me, is the key good news message - if the fire wasn't even severe enough to burn the vinyl it's hardly likely to have done much serious damage.
northwichcat
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If you mean on test runs then yes. If you mean carrying actual passengers then no.
TrainfanBen
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I was shocked to see the Coventry Telegraph article.
Such a blow for Vivarail, but the staff need commending for dealing with it so well. Hopefully they'll rebuild from the ashes and turn the class 230 into a success story.
What would be the ordinary timescale for returning a fire damaged unit to service?
Such a blow for Vivarail, but the staff need commending for dealing with it so well. Hopefully they'll rebuild from the ashes and turn the class 230 into a success story.
What would be the ordinary timescale for returning a fire damaged unit to service?
Xenophon PCDGS
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How long is still left on the current franchise for the Class 230 unit to perform its 12 month booked period?
Xenophon PCDGS
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Has that fact now been confirmed to be the case?
I believe the current franchise is due to end at the end of October 2017.
Tyseley?
northwichcat
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Wouldn't that depend on many variables? When a Northern 150 recently caught fire on the Mid-Cheshire line it was terminated at a staffed station while attached to a 156 (meaning plenty of additional fire extinguishers were available) and the fire crew were based 5 minutes away. If it had happened in Delamere Forest when the 150 had been on it's own I imagine the fire damage could have been much worse, even when talking about the same train.
Oh dear the news seems to have reached the Daily Mail Online now
Alleged comment from Shooter "This is a new train () it has only done a few miles. There's a problem (really) and there's no explanation right now"
No comments about it being an old tube train in the article but some people have corrected that in the comments section.
Alleged comment from Shooter "This is a new train (
) it has only done a few miles. There's a problem (really) and there's no explanation right now"No comments about it being an old tube train in the article but some people have corrected that in the comments section.
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