Creation of class 230 DEMUs from ex-LU D78s by Vivarail

[WatcherZero]

Even if the damage was just superficial RAIB would probably launch a multi month investigation similar to the one they performed on the Blackpool tram fire.
That took 10 months to publish.

 

[HLE]

Where is the nearest thunderbird loco?

 

[Dhassell]

Where is the nearest thunderbird loco?

Bescot I would assume, or possibly Bedworth Murco/Coventry Yard but even then it would probably not have the right sort of coupling!

 

[HLE]

Bescot I would assume, or possibly Bedworth Murco/Coventry Yard but even then it would probably not have the right sort of coupling!

Emergency coupler would be used.

I bet shooter is absolutely gutted. Feeling for all those who've put in the effort on this.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Well I think thats probably the end of that.

I imagine so

D319s, anybody?


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[Bletchleyite]

Nah, no fault found!!

Not f...... fixed...


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[southern442]

Is that it then?

 

[northwichcat]

I imagine so

D319s, anybody?

Until they run in to a problem and someone says "Why don't do we either buy new DMUs or electrify more?"

 

[JN114]

Looks dramatic, and yes it's operationally disruptive with Leam - Cov blocked, but fire is only in the engine. DMU engines are catching fire all the time, at this stage this is no different.

I would only expect an RAIB investigation if there is a safety lesson to be learnt by the industry. If this is a simple mechanical failure, it won't warrant a full report.

Certainly wouldn't be writing Vivarail off just yet as some have...

 

[Bletchleyite]

Is that it then?

It feels in a way like the death of the APT


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[Bletchleyite]

Certainly wouldn't be writing Vivarail off just yet as some have...

I hope the issue can be fixed...I'm just nervous.


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[dgl]

Looks dramatic, and yes it's operationally disruptive with Leam - Cov blocked, but fire is only in the engine. DMU engines are catching fire all the time, at this stage this is no different.

I would only expect an RAIB investigation if there is a safety lesson to be learnt by the industry. If this is a simple mechanical failure, it won't warrant a full report.

Certainly wouldn't be writing Vivarail off just yet as some have...

Haven't both the 180's and 172's had a liking to setting on fire and the 68 locos as well and they still around, I see a setback only and they will recover.

 

[G0ORC]

Looks dramatic, and yes it's operationally disruptive with Leam - Cov blocked, but fire is only in the engine. DMU engines are catching fire all the time, at this stage this is no different.

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Operationally disruptive - certainly!

http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/154971.aspx

 

[ChiefPlanner]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/ne...manchester-delays-12384261?service=responsive

Sent onto me by a local.....

 

[northwichcat]

DMU engines are catching fire all the time, at this stage this is no different.

Not 'all the time.' There's over 100 Pacers in service every day, how many of them have caught fire this year?

 

[sk688]

Havent there been various Arriva Trains and Northern Trains fires recently

 

[dgl]

Not 'all the time.' There's over 100 Pacers in service every day, how many of them have caught fire this year?

Both not enough and not badly enough

 

[northwichcat]

Havent there been various Arriva Trains and Northern Trains fires recently

Northern's 150118 caught fire recently but didn't produce the same level of black smoke and is just one of around 140 class 150s currently in service.

 

[D365]

After a number of incidents where Turbostar and Electrostar units (in separate incidents I must add) recently caught fire, has Bombardier similarly been 'written off'?

 

[northwichcat]

After a number of incidents where Turbostar and Electrostar units (in separate incidents I must add) recently caught fire, has Bombardier similarly been 'written off'?

Yes. No more Turbostars or Electrostars will be produced.

 

[Elecman]

The BBC News England are reporting the 230 on fire at Kenilworth. ( sorry on a phone so can't attach the link or quote

 

[Elecman]

Ten evacuated as Kenilworth train catches fire
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-38470783

 

[JN114]

Not 'all the time.' There's over 100 Pacers in service every day, how many of them have caught fire this year?

4 pacer fires in 2016 by my count. No, not literally all the time you're correct, but as everyone else has inferred correctly it is a figure of speech.

The point I was making is that engine fires on DMUs aren't rare events that see the permanent withdrawal of manafacturers rolling stock from mainline service. I don't see 68s lined up for the cutters torch because of the high profile fires they've suffered this year.

But I've seen several posts on this thread already saying this is the end of vivarail. It is far, far too soon to be taking that view - the investigation into the incident hasn't even begun, we're still in the "response" stage of the incident. Latest reports are that once the fire brigade have damped down the unit will be fit to move under its own power. Let's save the doom mongering for when there's actually a credible account of what happened and why.

 

[D365]

If it's of any interest, I've found this quote from Adrian Shooter regarding the incident:

Chairman says there is 'no explanation right now'

Adrian Shooter added: “This is a new train, it has only done a few miles. There’s a problem and there’s no explanation right now.

“Obviously the engine shouldn’t catch fire and we will be looking into why that has happened here.”

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/train-fire-kenilworth-manchester-delays-12384261

 

[theblackwatch]

Looks dramatic, and yes it's operationally disruptive with Leam - Cov blocked, but fire is only in the engine. DMU engines are catching fire all the time, at this stage this is no different.

I would only expect an RAIB investigation if there is a safety lesson to be learnt by the industry. If this is a simple mechanical failure, it won't warrant a full report.

Certainly wouldn't be writing Vivarail off just yet as some have...

Vivarail has confirmed there will be an investigation with the RAIB. Trial in service postponed - no surprise there!

 

[najaB]

Hopefully it turns out to be nothing more complex than a hose not being secured properly.

 

[HOOVER29]

Looks bad from twitter pics.

 

[43096]

Usual web kangaroo court in full swing, as per usual....

 

[najaB]

Looks bad from twitter pics.

Lots of smoke, but not much in the way of flames (hopefully).

 

[Bantamzen]

4 pacer fires in 2016 by my count. No, not literally all the time you're correct, but as everyone else has inferred correctly it is a figure of speech.

The point I was making is that engine fires on DMUs aren't rare events that see the permanent withdrawal of manafacturers rolling stock from mainline service. I don't see 68s lined up for the cutters torch because of the high profile fires they've suffered this year.

But I've seen several posts on this thread already saying this is the end of vivarail. It is far, far too soon to be taking that view - the investigation into the incident hasn't even begun, we're still in the "response" stage of the incident. Latest reports are that once the fire brigade have damped down the unit will be fit to move under its own power. Let's save the doom mongering for when there's actually a credible account of what happened and why.

I wouldn't be so sure. The 230s haven't exactly been lauded over by the general public or the media, many are aware that these are just basically ex-subsurface units with a lick of paint and new diesel engines. So people away from here weren't exactly doing back flips at the prospect of them. But a fire starting in the relatively new engines is going to make them look less appealing still. I know failures can happen even to new stock, but for a product that has a lot of work to do to convince many, this isn't good news.

It may not be the death of VivaRail or the 230s, but it is a serious body blow.