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377 fire at Eastbourne (28/11)

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John Webb said:
A brief tweet on the East Sussex Fire and Rescue Service website reports that they attended a fire "....in the roof of a train. Cause was accidental."

So it looks as though the toilet was probably not the origin of the fire.
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As shown from the image on page two, the toilet looks fine. The door is closed, no marks on the toilet door which might indicate no attempt was made to access the toilet during the fire?
 
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Do any high voltage cables run through the roof space or are they all confined to buffer beam level?
 
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The cause of the fire was the hand drier wiring. All hand driers of affected models have been isolated and a memo issued to staff.
 
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The fire would have spread to the ceiling panels as they contain the main ventilation from the toilet. Smoke damage to adjoining vehicles should have been prevented by the gangway doors.
 
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2HAP said:
Assuming only one carriage is unservicable, why can't it be shunted out of the unit at Eastbourne, leaving a 3-car set in service immediately and allowing for the damaged vehicle to be repaired? That way, the TOC is only 1 carriage down, not 1 unit down.
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For a start, you'd need a shunter to do the shunting which I am not sure Eastbourne will have and that the TMS may need re-programming so that the train doesn't think it has a coach missing. It is likely to also be generally much easier to move the train to a depot in its current state than in bits (couplings etc.)
 
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Crossover said:
For a start, you'd need a shunter to do the shunting which I am not sure Eastbourne will have and that the TMS may need re-programming so that the train doesn't think it has a coach missing. It is likely to also be generally much easier to move the train to a depot in its current state than in bits (couplings etc.)
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what coach is it? I think the PTSOL has the compression which of course is essential!
 
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physics34 said:
what coach is it? I think the PTSOL has the compression which of course is essential!
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Might as well take the whole unit out of service
The public wont notice one more cancellation in the timetable
It was the PTSOL that was involved
 
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Domh245 said:
I thought it was the MOSL. The small toilet can be seen in the picture in the second post on this thread
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Ah yes so it was pardon me
Just checking the diagram information now

MSOL 2 motors on inner bogie, standard toilet <-- Involved
PTSOL - pantograph, transformer, compressor, disabled toilet <-- evidently not
 
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It would have been the MOSL. That is not a PTOSL coach.

Regarding marks on the toilet indicating fire, if you look around the bottom of the toilet module, on the warped area to the left side by the window, and at the way smoke would have headed up from the bottom of the door to the window on the right hand side, I think it is entirely likely that the origin of the fire could have been in there. In this case it would simply the case that it was contained extremely well by the walls, but not the ventilation system!

As for doors and smoke damage, the gangway doors on 377s will open to allow passengers to leave a burning coach, but not enter it in the other direction. So there is every chance some smoke may have entered the rest of the train if anyone wished to exit from the coach in question.
 
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One thing we can be fairly confident about is an increase of toilet blockages as a result of increased hand drying through paper towels
 
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GatwickDepress said:
Shunter the profession? ;)
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That was my first thought too. Shunters would be able to liaise with the appropriate technical authorities to gain authorisation to propel and reform separate coaches of a damaged unit. If there was insufficient power (in layman's terms) for the coaches to move themselves then they would probably be moved by another 377 or compatible unit, the Southern class 73 loco, a low loader combined with efforts at a depot such as Selhurst, or another loco plus barrier / converter wagons or the emergency couplers.
 
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