Saveaway partly used in peak hours

[185143]

was it you that tweeted Merseytravel about that this morning?

What was the reply from Merseytravel on Twitter?

they said something along the lines of 'valid until LIV and no further IIRC'

 

[Jonfun]

Think one way around without passing through barriers, Merseyrail Waterloo-Hunts Cross, then Northern Rail Hunts Cross-Newton Le Willows changing at Edge Hill, but might be able to change at Lime Street if the train from Hunts Cross stops on P1-P6.

There is a point you cross whereby the faffing around to save a few quid makes it more sensible to just buy the appropriate ticket in the first place...

 

[kieron]

A lot of the discussion in this thread seems to have been about their use of the word "journey". It's not always clear to me whether this is an objection to the restriction itself, or to the way it has been described.

Does anyone here believe that Merseytravel should not be allowed to define off-peak travel in any way they like, so long as the restriction is simple enough for passengers and staff to understand?

Personally, I think RAZOR1965 would have better luck with an off peak ticket. How's anyone supposed to know what "Merseyrail City Line services" are when Merseyrail don't use the line?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Personally, I think RAZOR1965 would have better luck with an off peak ticket. How's anyone supposed to know what "Merseyrail City Line services" are when Merseyrail don't use the line?

They are clearly shown on a map on the Merseyrail timetables and at Merseyside stations. Essentially, they are mainline services with two stops within the PTE area.

 

[tony_mac]

They are clearly shown on a map on the Merseyrail timetables and at Merseyside stations. Essentially, they are mainline services with two stops within the PTE area.

It's perfectly reasonably to assume that 'Merseyrail' means the TOC. In most cases it does but 'Merseyrail city line' seems to just mean some abstract 'branding' for other TOC's services.

Merseyrail's website has no mention of a 'city line', even on their map.

 

[Merseysider]

It's perfectly reasonably to assume that 'Merseyrail' means the TOC. In most cases it does but 'Merseyrail city line' seems to just mean some abstract 'branding' for other TOC's services.

Merseyrail's website has no mention of a 'city line', even on their map.

This map contains the City Line, but not the "Merseyrail City Line".

:roll:

 

[transmanche]

It's perfectly reasonably to assume that 'Merseyrail' means the TOC.

Is it? Or does anyone want to pretend that we all don't know the brand name Merseyrail is used by Merseytravel to refer to all local services within the PTE area? Whether they are operated by Merseyrail Electrics 2002 Ltd or Northern Rail Ltd.

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This map contains the City Line, but not the "Merseyrail City Line".

Although the Merseytravel website clearly states:

Merseyrail City Line Services

Merseyrail City Line trains are operated by Northern Rail.

Longer distance services shown in the rail timetables below are operated by either Arriva Trains Wales, East Midlands Trains, First TransPennine Express, London Midland or Virgin Trains.

 

[tony_mac]

Is it? Or does anyone want to pretend that we all don't know the brand name Merseyrail is used by Merseytravel to refer to all local services within the PTE area? Whether they are operated by Merseyrail Electrics 2002 Ltd or Northern Rail Ltd.

Any chance you can clarify that? I really can't understand what it is trying to say.
(Just in case, all I was saying is that it is reasonable for a passenger to assume that Merseyrail refers to the TOC. Obviously, some of us know that it may also mean something else).

 

[transmanche]

Any chance you can clarify that? I really can't understand what it is trying to say.
(Just in case, all I was saying is that it is reasonable for a passenger to assume that Merseyrail refers to the TOC. Obviously, some of us know that it may also mean something else).

I was suggesting that the ordinary passenger is unlikely to be troubled by which TOC operates the train. All the ordinary passenger will see is the prominent Merseyrail branding on all local stations; whether they are on the Wirral, Northern or City Lines.

Or to put it another way; to the average bod in Merseyside, Merseyrail means all local trains - not just those operated by Merseyrail Electrics 2002 Ltd. Therefore, I don't think your assumption (for a passenger to assume that Merseyrail refers to the TOC) is reasonable.

 

[Bletchleyite]

It's perfectly reasonably to assume that 'Merseyrail' means the TOC.

Not really. For anyone even remotely familiar with the rail system in Liverpool, Merseyrail is the PTE-sponsored rail network, only part of which is operated by the TOC of a similar name.

 

[Camden]

Merseyrail's rail only day tickets have something like NORTHWIRRALLINES written on them, rather than Merseyrail Only. The Merseytravel day tickets, the Saveaways being spoken about, are valid on the "city lines" anyway. So I don't think it particularly matters about the supposed confusion. It's never confused me any.

A single to NLW is £4.80 from LIV, so if two journeys are required from North Liverpool to Newton-Le-Willows, the sensible choice would seem to me to be a £4.80 peak single to cover that leg, plus the Saveaway ticket to cover the other three journeys. May be annoying for it not to cover that other peak journey, but it is in any case still a great value ticket easily comparable to the Travelcard in terms of scope, range and flexibility.

I see also someone did point out an alternative of a walk, a bus and an earlier train from LIV. As Saveaways are valid on the buses, all the journeys could be done for the fiver or so it costs for that Saveaway.