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Fair enough, still if they are indeed coming to the Western I'll have plenty of chances to get them.

Didn't do a long enough journey to find the seats either comfortable or uncomfortable. Might have some different answers on that one should I make it onto the Thameslink Daysave bash I'm planning!
 
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New diagrams now in service

Weekdays

301/302
1W04 05:44 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 11:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W43 13:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 16:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W57 18:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21:30 Brighton to Bedford

303/304
1H83 06:34 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 08:02 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1W21 09:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W43 15:24 Bedford to Brighton
1B50 18:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B55 19:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1W66 21:02 Brighton to Bedford

305/306
1W01 04:16 Bedford to Brighton
1W83 07:24 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 16:46 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W69 21:22 Bedford to Brighton

307/308
1W00 05:10 Brighton to Bedford
1J88 07:58 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
1G69 10:04 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
1W29 11:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14:38 Brighton to Bedford
2W61 17:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19:44 Three Bridges to Bedford

309/310
2W87 01:42 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W92 04:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W84 06:54 Bedford to Brighton
1B14 09:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B19 10:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B24 11:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B29 13:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B36 14:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1W97 17:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W73 22:22 Bedford to Brighton

311/312
2W93 03:12 Bedford to Brighton
1W08 06:22 Brighton to Bedford
1W19 09:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W30 12:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W41 14:54 Bedford to Brighton
1B48 17:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B53 19:12 London Bridge to Brighton

313/314
1W03 04:46 Bedford to Brighton
1W14 07:48 Brighton to Bedford
2W31 10:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 13:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15:40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17:30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1W61 19:26 Bedford to Brighton
1W72 22:20 Brighton to Bedford

315/316
1W06 06:04 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W39 14:24 Bedford to Brighton
1B46 17:26 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18:42 London Bridge to Brighton
2W64 19:56 Brighton to Bedford
2W79 22:42 Bedford to Three Bridges

317/318
2W84 01:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W07 05:58 Bedford to Brighton
1B12 08:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B17 10:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B27 12:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B38 15:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B43 16:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1W54 18:06 Brighton to Bedford
1W67 20:52 Bedford to Brighton
2W82 00:10 Brighton to Bedford

319/320
2W03 03:42 Bedford to Brighton
1W81 07:00 Brighton to Bedford
2W27 09:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W34 12:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W47 14:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17:14 Three Bridges to Bedford

321/322
2W19 07:24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W24 09:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W37 12:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H95 16:59 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 18:30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1W65 20:22 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23:36 Brighton to Bedford

Saturday Only

301
1W02 05:30 Brighton to Bedford

302
1W06 06:06 Brighton to Bedford

Attach

301/302
1W17 08:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W39 14:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W50 17:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W63 19:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W74 23:02 Brighton to Bedford

303/304
1W15 08:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W26 11:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W37 13:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W48 16:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W61 19:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W72 22:30 Brighton to Bedford

305/306
2W11 05:40 Bedford to Brighton
1B10 08:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B20 10:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B30 13:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B35 14:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B40 15:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B45 17:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B50 18:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B55 19:42 London Bridge to Brighton

307/308
1B04 06:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B09 08:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B14 09:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B19 10:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B24 11:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B29 13:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B34 14:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B39 15:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B44 16:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B49 18:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1W60 19:30 Brighton to Bedford

309/310
2W93 03:12 Bedford to Brighton
1B02 06:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B07 07:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B12 08:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B17 10:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B27 12:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B32 13:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B37 15:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B42 16:28 Brighton to London Bridge
1B47 17:42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B52 18:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B57 20:12 London Bridge to Brighton

311/312
2W03 03:42 Bedford to Brighton
1W08 06:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W19 09:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W30 12:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W41 14:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W52 17:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W65 20:22 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23:36 Brighton to Bedford

313
2W87 01:42 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W92 04:16 Three Bridges to Bedford

Attach

313/314
1W09 06:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W31 12:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W42 15:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 17:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21:02 Brighton to Bedford

315/316
1B08 07:56 Brighton to London Bridge
1B13 09:12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B23 11:42 Brighton to London Bridge
1B28 12:56 London Bridge to Brighton
1B33 14:12 Brighton to London Bridge
1B38 15:28 London Bridge to Brighton
1B43 16:42 Brighton to London Bridge
1B48 17:56 London Bridge to Brighton
1B53 19:12 Brighton to London Bridge
1W64 20:30 Brighton to Bedford

317/318
2W84 01:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W11 07:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10:08 Brighton to Bedford
1W33 12:54 Bedford to Brighton
1W44 15:38 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18:24 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21:30 Brighton to Bedford

319/320
2W33 11:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W40 13:44 Three Bridges to Brighton
2W53 16:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W60 18:44 Three Bridges to Brighton

319/320
2W33 11:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W40 13:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W53 16:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W60 18:44 Three Bridges to Bedford

321
2W85 00:42 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W88 03:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W13 06:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W20 08:42 Three Bridges to Bedford

322
2W15 06:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09:14 Three Bridges to Bedford

Attach

321/322
2W35 11:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W42 14:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W55 16:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19:14 Three Bridges to Bedford

Sunday only

301/302
2W14 07:36 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 10:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 13:44 Brighton to Bedford
1W49 16:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W52 19:44 Brighton to Bedford

303/304
1W29 11:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 14:44 Brighton to Bedford
1W53 17:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 20:44 Brighton to Bedford

305/306
1W21 09:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 12:44 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15:36 Bedford to Brighton
1W48 18:44 Brighton to Bedford
2W77 21:58 Bedford to Brighton

307/308
2W08 06:06 Brighton to Bedford
1W19 09:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 12:14 Brighton to Bedford
1W43 15:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W46 18:14 Brighton to Bedford

309/310
2W71 20+28 Bedford to Brighton

311/312
1W15 08:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 11:14 Brighton to Bedford
1W39 14:06 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W42 17:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W63 20:06 Bedford to Brighton

Detach

311
2W78 23:12 Brighton to Bedford

312
2W80 23:42 Brighton to Bedford

313/314
2W75 21:28 Bedford to Brighton

315/316 ​
2W17 06:58 Bedford to Brighton
1W14 10:14 Brighton to Bedford
1W35 13:06 Bedford to Brighton
1W38 16:14 Brighton to Bedford
1W59 19:06 Bedford to Brighton
2W74 22:14 Brighton to Bedford

317
2W23 08:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10:54 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W43 13:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W50 15:54 Three Bridges to Bedford

318
2W25 08:50 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11:24 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W45 13:50 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 16:24 Three Bridges to Bedford

Attach

317/318
2W79 22:28 Bedford to Three Bridges

319
2W27 09:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W34 11:54 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W47 14:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W54 16:54 Three Bridges to Bedford

320
2W35 11:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W42 13:54 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W55 16:20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 18:54 Three Bridges to Bedford
 
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How many 319s on the bml now including three bridges terminators and London bridge terminators?

Will the Wimbledon loop/Sevenoaks remain largely 319s till the 700s?

Livery wise is a nightmare at the moment but I guess it is all temporary
 
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ml said:
How many 319s on the bml now including three bridges terminators and London bridge terminators?

Will the Wimbledon loop/Sevenoaks remain largely 319s till the 700s?

Livery wise is a nightmare at the moment but I guess it is all temporary
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Not many 319s left on the BML now

Weekdays its

Brighton services

1W55 17:54 Bedford to Brighton (then runs ECS north)
1W63 19:54 Bedford to Brighton

1W74 23:02 Brighton to Bedford


Three Bridges services

2W89 03:24 St Pancras to Three Bridges
2W21 08:04 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W25 09:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W35 11:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W39 12:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W41 13:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W45 14:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W99 16:40 Bedford to Three Bridges​ (4 car)
2W65 18:40 Bedford to Gatwick Airport (then berths in Sidings)
2W81 23:12 Bedford to Three Bridges (4 car)
2W83 23:42 Bedford to Three Bridges (4 car)

2W86 02:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W90 03:46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W94 04:50 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W98 05:20 Three Bridges*to Bedford
2W28 10:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W32 11:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W42 14:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W46 15:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W48 15:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W50 16:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W60 19:13 Three Bridges to Bedford (4 car)​


Currently 377s not permitted on Loop, limited to for cars only on Sevenoaks route. Both well see 319s replaced directly by 319s. Current plan for the 700s is 11x 12 cars then a large batch of 8 cars which will see the units on Sutton and Sevenoaks I think within a year.
 
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I think they were banned, allowed and then banned again, hence LBSCR Times saying 'currently'
 
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Ah, that would make sense. I guess it's not impossible that one would get sent round by accident either? The working in question was one purple one plus one green one.
 
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MCR247 said:
I think they were banned, allowed and then banned again, hence LBSCR Times saying 'currently'
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Wonder why that happened? Think it was signal sighting on the Wimbledon side? I know many of the Southern services via the Mitcham Junction side use 377s, and if there were issues on that side then they wouldn't be used.
There could also be issues with platform length and SDO? I know Mitcham Junction and Hackbridge only fit 7 coaches of 377, while the 319/455 platform mounted DOO monitors are at the bottom of the end ramp. Same is the case with monitors at some stations around the Wimbledon side.
 
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Peter Mugridge said:
26th March, 377 209 plus one other seen heading towards Sutton from a SWT 455 entering Wimbledon en route from Epsom to Waterloo in the morning peak...

No photo I'm afraid.
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0548 Bedford to Sutton / 0740 Sutton to Bedford and 0650 Luton to Sutton / 0838 Sutton to Bedford were diagrammed 377s for a few weeks.
 
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I can categorically state that on 24 March 2 ex-FCC branded 377s operated 1O10 0740 Sutton-Bedford via Wimbledon, because I was onboard. I don't know how regular this is or was - I was a bit surprised, but there we go.

EDIT: Aha, as per the post above - typed at the same time as mine!
 
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They were going round there for about a week but were stopped again. Not sure why though. There was a notice which went up saying 377s were being used and the places sdo would operate but was superseded by a following notice to say they were now being withdrawn.
 
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Class2ldn said:
They were going round there for about a week but were stopped again. Not sure why though. There was a notice which went up saying 377s were being used and the places sdo would operate but was superseded by a following notice to say they were now being withdrawn.
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Spoke to an Thameslink driver the other day, think is something to do with the DOO cameras.
 
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12CSVT said:
0548 Bedford to Sutton / 0740 Sutton to Bedford and 0650 Luton to Sutton / 0838 Sutton to Bedford were diagrammed 377s for a few weeks.
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That fits, because we were on the 08.04 from Epsom which would have been at Wimbledon at around 08.20.
 
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but the hand washing facilities are very poorly designed on these trains. It forces you to obtain soap before wetting your hands and once you have trend the tap on it refuses to let you have any more soap. This is against best practice. Also i hate being told by a machine what it is I want to do. Totally unnecessary.
 
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I can't stand it when you must take the soap before knowing there's actually water in the tank!
 
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Class377/5 said:
Not many 319s left on the BML now

Weekdays its

Brighton services

1W55 17:54 Bedford to Brighton (then runs ECS north)
1W63 19:54 Bedford to Brighton

1W74 23:02 Brighton to Bedford


Three Bridges services

2W89 03:24 St Pancras to Three Bridges
2W21 08:04 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W25 09:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W35 11:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W39 12:40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W41 13:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W45 14:10 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W99 16:40 Bedford to Three Bridges​ (4 car)
2W65 18:40 Bedford to Gatwick Airport (then berths in Sidings)
2W81 23:12 Bedford to Three Bridges (4 car)
2W83 23:42 Bedford to Three Bridges (4 car)

2W86 02:16 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W90 03:46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W94 04:50 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W98 05:20 Three Bridges*to Bedford
2W28 10:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W32 11:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W42 14:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W46 15:14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W48 15:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W50 16:44 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W60 19:13 Three Bridges to Bedford (4 car)​


Currently 377s not permitted on Loop, limited to for cars only on Sevenoaks route. Both well see 319s replaced directly by 319s. Current plan for the 700s is 11x 12 cars then a large batch of 8 cars which will see the units on Sutton and Sevenoaks I think within a year.
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1o09 and 2v07 have been 8 car 377
 
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Not sure if anyone has mentioned this, but the hand washing facilities are very poorly designed on these trains. It forces you to obtain soap before wetting your hands and once you have trend the tap on it refuses to let you have any more soap. This is against best practice. Also i hate being told by a machine what it is I want to do. Totally unnecessary.
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That's good to know - is there any way of operating the soap without having your hands underneath it?
 
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I'll remember to do that next time I need the toilet on a 387 then, probably not often as I tend to only use them in the TL core at the moment! That being said though, I do sometimes do 35 minute stints on 377/6s - would they be the same I'd assume?
 
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387129 arrived at Bletchley for commissioning yesterday. Meanwhile note confirmed GWR's new build 387s will be numbered 387301-308.
 
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That's the last 387/1 isn't it? So is it now straight onto the Gatwick 387/2s or is there a bit of a gap in construction?
 
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