I also remember from reading books on driving memoirs, how on certain occasions when a freight train had been switched on to the slow line to allow an express to overtake, the driver of the overtaking express being given a bad moment when the guard of the freight had failed to change the shade of his offside rear lamp from red to white.
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Four methods of stopping a train
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I also remember from reading books on driving memoirs, how on certain occasions when a freight train had been switched on to the slow line to allow an express to overtake, the driver of the overtaking express being given a bad moment when the guard of the freight had failed to change the shade of his offside rear lamp from red to white.
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Emergency Plunger/Emergency Stop. Should have spotted that.
Bearing in mind they don't obey any other rules what makes you think cyclists would obey that one?
Given that Virgin staff at Carlisle some 15 years ago told a spotter he wasn't allowed to wear a red anorak when near the end of the platform in case he was mistaken for a red 'stop' warning, I'll believe pretty much any nonsense I hear or read these days.
DaveNewcastle
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It would be a wise restriction, though as it would be almost impossible to monitor and detect violations with the low level of staffing at the majority of stations, especially at night, then this might be more appropriate as 'guidance' or 'good practice' rather than a 'rule'.
Or blowing up an bridge as in "The Bridge on the River Kwai"
These days you just need a confused lorry driver to run into a bridge to cause the same level of disruption.
Make that 4 with 'open your local door' on all the stock I work - probably the quickest way if you are at the door controls whilst leaving the platform as it will dump the brakes in immediately.
Actually from a distance it is difficult to see the person inside the anorak-you just see the red material moving about. I have run through platforms with someone wearing red before and from a distance it can look like a red flag being waved on the edge of the platform. Red is used as a 'danger' signal on the railway as it stands out against the rest of the infrastructure so when you do see something red from a distance it makes you think twice.
I once came round a corner and saw a red thing in the 4foot waving about. I thought it was a flag as used in protection or possessions and slowed right down. As I got closer it turned out to be a red balloon so I just got down and picked it up.
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I'm finding that M modules will feature heavily on my rules exams going forward
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I don't think anyone has mentioned signal post replacement switch yet.
western Champion
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I did my rules last Wednesday.
Rule Book Reference: G1 Sec 3.
http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Boo...eneral Responsibilities/GERT8000-G1 Iss 4.pdf
Rule Book Reference: G1 Sec 3.
http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Rule_Boo...eneral Responsibilities/GERT8000-G1 Iss 4.pdf
edwin_m
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And Virgin uniforms are, er, red...?
Yes but virgin staff wouldn't be standing on the end of a platform away from other people looking out towards approaching trains.
Although, on a slightly seperate topic, my biggest annoyance at the moment is enthusiast swearing hi-Vis jackets on platforms-what purpose is the for that? I came around a corner to Gordon hill during Sunday diversions a while back and saw 2 people in hi-Vis jackets and thought they were managers speed gunning. Then as I got closer I realised they both had jeans n and were just photographing. I mean what reason is there to wearying Vis if photographing trains?!
Peter Mugridge
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True, but at least if they do cause a driver to carry out an emergency stop, they could then have the book thrown at them for it...
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You are correct! don't know why I put White lol
I believe it's vigorously, not sure when that changed but it did!
and maybe there's a difference...
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I believe it's vigorously; not sure when that changed but it did!
"Violently" is the word used in the current Rule Book (Module G1); it was also the word used in the Rule Book of 1950 (Rule 50).
On the ball staff will ask. Reactions range from apology (~10%) to confusion (~15%) and expletive ridden irritation (~75%).
Strange, I stand corrected! Where did I get this from then? I'm sure in my current training I was told it's now vigorously. Maybe that was just the PTS course.
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On checking, I see that some issues of the Personal Track Safety Handbook used the word "vigorously". To be honest, I doubt if there's any difference between "vigorously" and "violently" in the context of waving a light around.
O L Leigh
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Because you can see that it's the back of another train...? Sheesh!!
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Route knowledge. If a driver needs to stop trains on the opposite line from in the cab they put reds on the front of their train. If I'm driving on a 4 track line and I see reds on the other line which shares the same direction of travel then I will not react at all to it. If one of the lines with the opposite direction of travel or on a 2 track line if I see reds on the front then I would react.
Basically it's common sense. You know what you are expecting to see (ie traffic lights on adjacent roads at night, red lights attached to buildings, signals which don't apply to your train etc) and if you see something out of the ordinary, such as a red light where not expected, then you react to it, even if not stopping then reducing speed until you can work out if there is any danger.
Hmm, sadly cyclists get a bit in the mindset that everyone is out to get them, it arises from travelling on Britains narrow, congested & often aggressively manouvered roads.
Newer types of dynamo lights have battery backup so they're still on at traffic lights, downside is that the rear light stays on even after its switched off... So I now have to cover it with a carrier bag at certain stations if I arrive at night.
cjp
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Just from a passenger perspective since the Pass com can be overridden
(and on the two occassions I used it that was a good thing and the result I wanted so help could be summoned at the next station)
and needs a conversation with driver
then if it can be overridden
would not the green (emergency door open) handle not be the way to get a guaranteed stop with no discussion?
Yes it would. Off course it kicks in the brakes, hard and people might go flying. Using the pass comm, and saying, stop, emergency. The driver would bring the train to a controlled stop in a safe place. eg not in a tunnel. Pass comms need to be over ridden due to mass false alarms. The one in the little lav on a 377 gets pushed all the time. Its badly placed and easy to knock.
And of course with the door handle pulled, once the train stops, you would have the issue of people then trying to exit the train as the doors are open.
So yes, can be used, and will stop the train, but only in serious emergencies.
Even in a fire I would rather have a controlled stop while getting people into other coaches.
And of course with the door handle pulled, once the train stops, you would have the issue of people then trying to exit the train as the doors are open.
So yes, can be used, and will stop the train, but only in serious emergencies.
Even in a fire I would rather have a controlled stop while getting people into other coaches.
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