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Piccadilly line Turnham Green consultation results/report

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Muzer

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The Turnham Green consultation has occurred. The report is available as a PDF from this page:

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/tube/piccadillyline

Summary of conclusions and proposals

The Piccadilly line engagement was carried out from 27 August to 7 October 2013 to better understand what people think of the Piccadilly line, including stopping arrangements at Turnham Green station and how, overall, TfL could improve the line’s service.

TfL received over 14,000 responses to this engagement from people from over 70 postcode areas.

The responses have been analysed by TfL and provide valuable input for us to consider when reviewing and updating our service. Key themes from public feedback are highlighted in this report with comment from TfL and next steps for action, where applicable.

A breakdown of responses supporting and opposing the Piccadilly line stopping at Turnham Green station for more of the day is also included in this report, alongside a review of the TfL Business Case for the Piccadilly line stopping at Turnham Green station.

The feedback told us that there continues to be strong local support for changing stopping arrangements, but only a minority support for this from users elsewhere on the line.
The review of the business case, as it has in the past, has assessed that there is no justification in terms of overall customer benefit for extending Piccadilly line stopping times at Turnham Green station even when the train fleet size and signalling constraints are put aside. Indeed the business case shows there is no case for stopping the Piccadilly line at Turnham Green station at any time of day, including in the off peak, on any day of the week.

However, we recognise the continued frustration among those who wish for the Piccadilly line to stop for more of the day at Turnham Green station. The signalling constraints and the size of the train fleet mean that we are unlikely to be able to implement changes in the short term. TfL therefore plans to stop Piccadilly line trains at Turnham Green station all day once the line is modernised and we have a new and larger fleet of trains and a new signalling system. This upgrade is set to commence in 2019 with introduction of the first new train in 2022.

In the interim, passengers using Turnham Green station will benefit from the upgrade of the District line. The introduction of a fleet of new larger and walk-through, air-conditioned trains will start this year and be complete by 2016. This will be followed by a new signalling system enabling a faster, more frequent and more reliable service from 2018.

Additionally, the Piccadilly line will stop throughout the night at Turnham Green when the Night Tube network starts in 2015.

TL;DR: Piccadilly Line trains won't be changing their calling pattern at Turnham Green in the immediate future, but they will all stop there when the signalling upgrade occurs in the early 2020s
 
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greatkingrat

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Not sure why they bothered really. It is hardly surprising that people who live near Turnham Green want more trains to stop at Turnham Green.
 

transmanche

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Not sure why they bothered really. It is hardly surprising that people who live near Turnham Green want more trains to stop at Turnham Green.
I was amused by the fact that 52% of them said they still want more Piccadilly line services to stop at Turnham Green; even if it means a reduction in service elsewhere, longer journey times for the majority and a less reliable service for all!
 

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Having spent the last year living just on the edge of Chiswick that statistic does not come as a surprise! Then again given how infrequent and poorly spaced the district line service is between Earl's Court and Richmond/EB I can understand the frustration.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've waited less than 6 minutes for a train at Ravenscourt Park, and virtually every day the TfL countdown boards would inform me that there were 2-4 trains in quick succession behind the one that would eventually turn up first. I used to play "guess how many Piccadilly line trains would run through the station before your District line train turned up" to keep myself entertained.
 

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Yeah. The District line does seem to be the very worst of all the lines for timekeeping and service frequency, speaking here as an outside observer. It looks to me like it has far too many branches.
 

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I'm glad that the majority voted for more Turnham stops despite reduced performance- what a horrible, manipulative question to have included! The question was clearly indicating a foregone conclusion, and was effectively blackmailing participants into giving answers TfL wanted to hear. It's a shame the majority wasn't even greater.
 

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I'm glad that the majority voted for more Turnham stops despite reduced performance- what a horrible, manipulative question to have included! The question was clearly indicating a foregone conclusion, and was effectively blackmailing participants into giving answers TfL wanted to hear. It's a shame the majority wasn't even greater.

I don't think it's an unreasonable question to ask - if they'd only asked what people wanted it doesn't show how importantly they feel about that issue compared to others. If the report had just found out that 65% of people wanted the Piccadilly line to stop at Turnham Green more there would have been the unanswered question "What would they want if there are consequences to the rest of the line?".
 
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