Rich McLean
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I've just heard on Skyscrapercity that 350404 and 350405 arrived in the UK yesterday.
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DJH1971
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Francis
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Obviously been done in Germany. Who picks up the bill for the respray?
Darren R
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At least it happened before it got here, which means we can blame the foreigners (seems to be a theme today!) They're even taking jobs from British graffiti artists now!
edwin_m
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"That was the plan"
northwichcat
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How often do North West based trains acquire external graffiti? It seems to happen very infrequently compared to London based trains and also compared to trains in both France and Germany.
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LNW-GW Joint
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Why would TPE accept the delivery in this state?
Damaged goods surely.
Maybe the Siemens depot at Ardwick will fix it prior to handover.
Brian1947
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May be a case of no one (intentionally) noticed it on its journey to the UK!
No doubt it will keep the insurance industry busy arguing who should pay for the repaint.
edwin_m
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Easier to bring it to the UK and sort it out here than to leave it wherever it was attacked, with the risk of the same happening again, until a path can be found back to Krefeld and yet another one back to the UK. Siemens depots in Ardwick and elsewhere will be equipped to deal with graffiti incidents and it can probably be sorted out in parallel with some other commissioning work so not causing any delay to handover.
In my experience Germany is one of the WORST countries for 'tagging' and I don't understand why they cannot get a grip on it. It is rare in the U.S.A. now where it was once endemic, uncommon in the North of England and in Spain, and in the London area the trains seem to be reasonably free of it although the linesides south of the Thames are often still bad. It is not an insoluble problem, it just requires will and effort.
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Last I heard the Germans wanted to splash out on drones to patrol depots but their privacy/unmanned vehicles laws prevented it.
swt_passenger
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Good point, and even better if there was only a single 350 thread, even once you have got to the 'rolling stock' section of the forum...
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TheKnightWho
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Well it's clearly possible to sort it out without resorting to such drastic measures...
Xenophon PCDGS
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I am with you all the way on that particular matter.
GRALISTAIR
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Has someone got an update on the progress made during the Manchester Victoria blockade?
TheKnightWho
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GRALISTAIR
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Outstanding thank you very much.
DJH1971
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Going into Manchester Victoria this morning, I could see the work for myself firsthand.
Another development now evident!
Another development now evident!
Xenophon PCDGS
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What exactly was done on the trackwork on platforms 5 and 6 ?
DJH1971
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I didn't quite see, but saw plenty of OHL structures between Ordsall Lane Junction and Salford Central, along with plenty of mast foundations between Salford Central and Victoria station.
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According to other posts none because it wasn't required. There is according to the same post plenty of metalwork up on 5 & 6 for OHLE in fact more than on 3 & 4.
I had a quick tour around all the Phase 2 routes today on a Lancashire Day Ranger. Although a lot has been done over the Christams/New year blockade in the ManVic-Ordsall area, as described on here, it seems to me that there is an awful lot of work still to do between Wigan/Earlestown and Edge Hill if it is all to be powered up by Dec 2014! It took ~3 years to do the 15 miles of the Chat Moss Line and there does not appear to be a great deal of progress on the rest since last summer! Why is the installation so patchy/haphazard and unsystematic? i.e. stretches with bases/steelwork in place but with so many gaps and uncompleted bits and pieces, rather than working continuously from A to B? No sign of any wiring, or the prospect of any, since the completion of Stage 1 several months ago.
DJH1971
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As it happens, on the Huyton to Wigan line, I did see more OHL structures in place around the Haresfinch area of St Helens yesterday of which I didn't see recently.
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andyb2706
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To be honest does it matter how quickly the overheads get put up? NR may have a target date of December 2014, but unless I have missed something Northern won't have any electrics to run on it for a good few years until the 319's have been released and refurbished.
Manchester77
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6 319s come off lease in May which gives enough for one to be refurbished and others to be used for training. In my opinion at least some services will be electrically operated by December
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Plus we know for sure that 35x 319 will be available by May 2015. By the end of 2016 all the 319s will be freed.
If the 387 fleet is introduced under the current plan there should be 10-12 in service prior to December which translates into 16-18 319s with 13 required for the Dec 14 timetable change.
Also note the 319/3 are the most recently refurbished units of the 319 fleet.
If the 387 fleet is introduced under the current plan there should be 10-12 in service prior to December which translates into 16-18 319s with 13 required for the Dec 14 timetable change.
Also note the 319/3 are the most recently refurbished units of the 319 fleet.
Eagle
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You have missed something. Northern are getting six 319s from FCC in December (and then a bunch more when the 387s start appearing).
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Xenophon PCDGS
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Can you confirm exactly what type of refurbishment will be given to those six Class 319 units and the timescale that will be required in order to facilitate those works. I thought that I had read of some refurbishment works planned, but I may have been confused with other proposed units of a different class that are in store and currently off-lease.
LNW-GW Joint
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I think that's a little unfair.
Phase 1 took 23 months from first work on site to first electric train running.
They were about 3 months late in the end, and having watched it all week by week, the main delay was in the specialist foundation work over the Moss.
This was done by teams on the ground rather than from the mobile factory train.
Phase 2 is twice as big at 30 miles, and the work indeed appears haphazard.
But the logic seems to be to do the easy bits first (simple concrete bases) and then follow up with the more complicated bits.
They have not done any work in the deep rock cutting near Thatto Heath, for instance, meanwhile the steelwork is mostly up on either side.
Also nothing around Huyton/Roby while the 4-tracking goes on, and they are only just getting to grips with the approaches to Springs Branch and Earlestown.
Unlike Phase 1 there is a lot of work to do at the many stations en route (specialist foundations etc).
Another factor is possessions. BB did nearly all the Phase 1 work on weeknights with little disruption to TOC services.
For Phase 2 they are taking the routes out on Sundays until May to give them good daylight access time, which should move things on a lot.
The Sunday blockade includes Victoria-Ordsall Lane/Salford Crescent, so it is to be hoped BB can get on with the Salford Crescent stretch of Phase 4 as well in this period.
Network Rail do seem to take an age to agree a contract though.
I haven't seen anything on agreeing Phase 3/4 yet.
While we grumble about slow electrification progress, the Huyton 4-tracking is also a big job with scope for holding everything up.
By now you would have expected the old signalling to have been replaced, clearing the site for construction, but it's still there.
The wiring train was parked up in Allerton depot last week.
It should be able to start on the Wigan line in a few weeks.
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