Cross London Transfer - Best Route?

[Trainfan344]

Hello, I have to change between London Euston and London Liverpool Street and was wondering what the best route would be, I have a ticket valid on the underground and have done research which tells me that I have the circle line from Euston Square, Victoria/Northern to Kings Cross and then Circle line or walk to Kings Cross and then Circle line. Please bear in mind I will have 2 bags and a rucksack to carry as well as wanting the quickest route.

 

[tony_mac]

Going to Euston Square is the best of those options. There is just a short walk, one road to cross, and a fairly small flight of stairs to deal with. It is easier and probably shorter than the interchange between lines at King's Cross.

 

[londiscape]

Hello, I have to change between London Euston and London Liverpool Street and was wondering what the best route would be, I have a ticket valid on the underground and have done research which tells me that I have the circle line from Euston Square, Victoria/Northern to Kings Cross and then Circle line or walk to Kings Cross and then Circle line. Please bear in mind I will have 2 bags and a rucksack to carry as well as wanting the quickest route.

When I did Euston to Liverpool Street I walked to Euston Square (250yds ish) and got the Metropolitan line direct. Would choose this route again to avoid changing at Kings Cross (can't swear to this but I don't think the Vic/Northern platforms are very close to the Metropolitans).

 

[PermitToTravel]

From Euston to Euston Square is a shorter walk than Northern/Victoria to Circle/Met/H&C at King's Cross

 

[DaveNewcastle]

Or the number 205 bus. Direct from Euston to Liverpool Street, approx. every 10 minutes.
Easy street level access (i.e. platform level) at both ends - 25 mins journey time, station to station.

 

[Trainfan344]

^But that is not covered by my Ticket Dave, and holding a ticket valid on the underground, that would be the most useful route.

 

[SS4]

Walk to Euston Square and take whichever train comes first. You can get the 205 bus as DaveNewcastle mentions but you'll have to pay as it's not included as part of your ticket.

Euston Square is about 50m closer than Kings Cross IIRC and an altogether quieter station as well as being far easier to navigate!

 

[DaveNewcastle]

^But that is not covered by my Ticket Dave, . . . .

I'm quite aware of that (though don't know if you have a Oyster Card or not, and that would help you in making the right decision).
My intention is to give you options - a bus with a price attached may or may not be more convenient for you, your 2 bags and your rucksack, which some would not enjoy taking up and down escalators. But the choice must be for you to decide.
I and others on here can only help by identifying some of your possible choices for you, (I could have mentioned a taxi as well), but it will be you who choses, hopefully a choice informed by a broad range of possibilities.

 

[yorkie]

The "best" route? So you want the quickest, easiest and cheapest? Hmmm...

We don't know the time of travel, but I would say bus for the easiest affordable option (£1.40 on Oyster).

We don't know how big the bags and rucksacks are or what the limitations are with them: are you saying you find it hard to walk with them? or are you saying you find it hard to negotiate escalators or stairs? or both?

If you want to avoid escalators, but don't mind a walk, walk to Euston Square and take the Met. That's probably quickest.

If you want to minimise walking, and are happy to take escalators, but don't want the quickest journey time, then take Northern to King's Cross, and use the lifts there to get to the Met.

The walk from Euston to Euston Square isn't far, neither is the walk from Moorgate to Liverpool St. You don't have to do either walk but one of those walks is required if you don't want to change trains.

You'll need to make a decision yourself as to which is, as you say, "best" and that will have to be a compromise. Without knowing your precise requirements I couldn't say which one is "best" and my opinion may vary from yours.

 

[tractakid]

Am I the only one that would consider Northern Line to Moorgate and change there, or even walk from Moorgate to Liverpool Street? They are close by.

 

[maniacmartin]

It takes ages to descend to the Northern line at Euston. You could be half way to Euston Square in the same time I think

 

[SS4]

Am I the only one that would consider Northern Line to Moorgate and change there, or even walk from Moorgate to Liverpool Street? They are close by.

The descent as Euston (a madhouse any time of day) and ascent of Moorgate will cost OP a lot of time and effort and the vertical movement is probably equivalent to the walk from Euston to Euston Square which will be under much better conditions.

This is before taking into consideration the conditions on Northern Line stock (as opposed to the lovely S stock)

 

[W-on-Sea]

The route with the fewest length of staircases is clearly Euston Square - Liverpool Street.

This involves going down one flight from the street to the ticket hall at Euston Sq, and then down a flight to the platform (which, being on a sub-surface line, is only just below the roadway): at Liverpool Street, there are barely any stairs to be traversed from the eastbound Met/H&C/Circle platform, just a very short number up to the ticket hall and then a few more up to BR concourse (with a lift option for the latter stretch).

Kings Cross is a maze, with the Northern line being the deepest platforms, and the Met/H&C/Circle the shallowest - even though lifts now ease the upward part of that (albeit at the price of lengthy walks between some of them). Euston is not very much better. Moorgate gives you escalators and staircases to deal with.

I'd definitely say the Euston Square-Liverpool Street route, or the 205 bus, would be the one I would choose in similar circumstances to those described by the OP.

 

[Trainfan344]

The "best" route? So you want the quickest, easiest and cheapest? Hmmm...

We don't know the time of travel, but I would say bus for the easiest affordable option (£1.40 on Oyster).

We don't know how big the bags and rucksacks are or what the limitations are with them: are you saying you find it hard to walk with them? or are you saying you find it hard to negotiate escalators or stairs? or both?

If you want to avoid escalators, but don't mind a walk, walk to Euston Square and take the Met. That's probably quickest.

If you want to minimise walking, and are happy to take escalators, but don't want the quickest journey time, then take Northern to King's Cross, and use the lifts there to get to the Met.

The walk from Euston to Euston Square isn't far, neither is the walk from Moorgate to Liverpool St. You don't have to do either walk but one of those walks is required if you don't want to change trains.

You'll need to make a decision yourself as to which is, as you say, "best" and that will have to be a compromise. Without knowing your precise requirements I couldn't say which one is "best" and my opinion may vary from yours.

I Have an AP Ticket from Euston to Norwich via London Liverpool Street, I am booked into London Euston at 13:43 on the 20th December, I am then booked onto the 14:30 Service to Norwich, I do not have an Oyster as I rarely visit London and when I do I usually buy a travelcard.

 

[ATW Alex 101]

It would be worth getting one though I reckon. I assume you have a Y-P discount so you could just load it onto that. Other than that £5.90 is a bit steep for Euston-Liverpool Street!

 

[Trainfan344]

^But why would I pay when i have a ticket valid for travel?

 

[philjo]

I Have an AP Ticket from Euston to Norwich via London Liverpool Street, I am booked into London Euston at 13:43 on the 20th December, I am then booked onto the 14:30 Service to Norwich, I do not have an Oyster as I rarely visit London and when I do I usually buy a travelcard.

Based on those times I would not recommend using the 205 bus. The TFL timetables show that the bus normally takes 25 minutes from Euston To Liverpool Street (off-peak journey times) and runs every 5-9 minutes.
http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/AHF/TLJJP12P1__00004557.pdf
Assuming you just miss a bus at Euston that would mean 34 minutes, not taking into account the extra time required to get from your train at Euston to the bus stop (which can take a few minutes if you are at the back of the train) and from the bus stop to train at Liverpool street. Plus you need to allow for any additional time taken due to traffic delays.
The circle/Met line from Euston Square would be the best bet.

 

[Eagle]

Am I the only one that would consider Northern Line to Moorgate and change there, or even walk from Moorgate to Liverpool Street? They are close by.

Euston to Moorgate via the Northern line is rather circuitous (the Circle between Euston Square and Moorgate is much straighter).

 

[Mojo]

If you want to minimise walking, and are happy to take escalators, but don't want the quickest journey time, then take Northern to King's Cross, and use the lifts there to get to the Met.

The Victoria line is closer than the Northern line to the Met and C&H platforms at Kings +. All you do is take the escalators up from the Vic line platforms to the Tube ticket hall, then turn immediately left and up the short flight of stairs, then go down the slightly longer flight of stairs onto the Met/C&H platforms.

A route involving step free access is also available, but this will take longer and you will have to exit from one ticket hall and enter into another.

 

[tsr]

As someone who uses all the stations mentioned on a pretty regular basis - and often with luggage, as required - I would certainly opt for using the existing ticket and travelling Eastbound from Euston Square Station (don't forget it has its own pedestrian underpass so you don't have to cross Euston Road) to Liverpool Street Station.

There really is no point in paying extra for a bus, unless you actually need step-free access or there is severe disruption on all 3 lines which run via Euston Square.

 

[Trainfan344]

As someone who uses all the stations mentioned on a pretty regular basis - and often with luggage, as required - I would certainly opt for using the existing ticket and travelling Eastbound from Euston Square Station (don't forget it has its own pedestrian underpass so you don't have to cross Euston Road) to Liverpool Street Station.

There really is no point in paying extra for a bus, unless you actually need step-free access or there is severe disruption on all 3 lines which run via Euston Square.

Where abouts is the Pedestrian Underpass to get to Euston Square as would prefer to use that to crossing a road.

 

[edwin_m]

A through Advance should be honoured on a later train if you miss your intended train due to Tube disruption. This wouldn't be the case if you missed it because of delays on the bus.

 

[W-on-Sea]

Where abouts is the Pedestrian Underpass to get to Euston Square as would prefer to use that to crossing a road.

It's the northern entrance to the station itself. Subway is on the corner of Euston Road and North Gower Street

 

[Zoidberg]

... - I would certainly opt for using the existing ticket and travelling Eastbound from Euston Square Station (don't forget it has its own pedestrian underpass so you don't have to cross Euston Road) to Liverpool Street Station.

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I don't understand the reference to the underpass and not having to cross Euston Road.

From Euston mainline to Euston Square Tube, is not the only road to be crossed Melton Street?

EDIT: I'm treating the main Tube station entrance being that on the north side of Euston Road, i.e. not using that entrance as an entrance to the underpass to get to it. Hope that makes sense.

FURTHER EDIT: A bit of research reveals that what I've always considered to be the main entrance to this tube station (the only entrance I have ever used) is actually accessing the station via the underpass. So, sorry 'tsr' for doubting you.

 

[AndyLandy]

If you want to avoid escalators, but don't mind a walk, walk to Euston Square and take the Met. That's probably quickest.

If you want to minimise walking, and are happy to take escalators, but don't want the quickest journey time, then take Northern to King's Cross, and use the lifts there to get to the Met.

I'd make this decision based on whether it's raining. If it is, I'd change at Kings Cross, if not, I'd take the walk to Euston Square.

^But why would I pay when i have a ticket valid for travel?

When the perceived benefit of the convenience of the bus outweighs the additional cost of paying for the duplicate journey. Only you can make that judgement. It's not all that far-removed from a Weekend First upgrade, where you pay a bit extra for a more comfortable journey.

 

[SS4]

Regardless of which route you take it may be wise to visit the Sainsburys right outside Euston (NR), I always get a bottle of water there for the journey and if you've a long journey from LST it may be worth getting a bite to eat?

 

[Trainfan344]

I might, but it'll depend on how the day goes, I'm more likely to pop into a supermarket the day before I go to get some snacks etc.

 

[Mojo]

I don't understand the reference to the underpass and not having to cross Euston Road.

I don't understand the reference either. The station is situated underneath the Euston Road so there is no underpass to be used, just one of the two station entrances.

 

[dvboy]

Euston Square unless it's chucking it down with rain - in that case Northern Line to Moorgate.

 

[Trainfan344]

Okay, so we have established the Euston Square route, say it's raining and I want to avoid Euston Square, Northern or Vic and where to?