My Mad East Midlands Metro Scheme

[RichmondCommu]

The only reason I asked about the tunnel is because it collapsed in the middle - your reply suggests you didn't know that. Arnold by bus is dead easy.

Collapse being the key word here I fancy.

 

[HowardGWR]

Lots of people in ARnold want to go to Nottingham though.

The fact that the line goes via Gedling is not a major problem, it still has the buses beat easily for travel time.



So people must always travel in absolutely straight lines?

How do you work that out? (see other posts). Yes people travel in straight lines when it's the quickest way. I am sorry, with the best will in the world, your proposals do not add up to anything better than we already could expect such as the line to Calverton, as mentioned by someone else.

But thanks for opening the thread. Nottingham area is a challenge and no mistake. Not as bad as Sheffield or Bristol though.

 

[HSTEd]

How do you work that out? (see other posts). Yes people travel in straight lines when it's the quickest way.

The bus to Arnold takes 27 minutes. (According to NCT timetables)
It being the 'quickest way' is not a foregone conclusion.

 

[IKBrunel]

In fact the council and the part-owned operator NCT has won several transport awards over the years and is one of the few places where public transport use is rising. Not sure where arse-finding comes into this but it seems to me the city is doing more things right transport-wise than most other places.

Absolutely. Nottingham has the lowest rate of car ownership of any English City. Whilst there may be a socio-economic component, the availability of good public transport is clearly a key factor. I know many people in Nottingham who are content with not even having a driving license.

 

[southern442]

All trains would stop at all stations and would use rapidly accelerating multiple units to keep out of the way of the existing express and freight services on the lines.

What about tram trains? Then you could connect the new proposal into the existing tram network, add a few more underground stops in the city and be able to sort the frequencies out.

For the mainline platforms all you would need is low-floor platform extensions.

 

[HSTEd]

What about tram trains? Then you could connect the new proposal into the existing tram network, add a few more underground stops in the city and be able to sort the frequencies out.

For the mainline platforms all you would need is low-floor platform extensions.

That depends on how fast the tram trains were capable of travelling. 50mph wouldn't cut it with regards to allowing for the timetable improvements necessary for the scheme to suceed.

I want a timetable that beats the original sprinter timings for Grantham-Nottingham and does it with the stops

 

[southern442]

That depends on how fast the tram trains were capable of travelling. 50mph wouldn't cut it with regards to allowing for the timetable improvements necessary for the scheme to suceed.

I want a timetable that beats the original sprinter timings for Grantham-Nottingham and does it with the stops

Maybe if they were physically only able to do the same speed as the sprinters (70-75 mph) but had faster acceleration, then journeys would be quicker.

 

[HSTEd]

Maybe if they were physically only able to do the same speed as the sprinters (70-75 mph) but had faster acceleration, then journeys would be quicker.

Apparently Alstom Citadis Dualis tram-trains are only rated for 60mph, which is probably not going to cut it, even with 75-80% of the axles motored.

 

[edwin_m]

Also a bit of a problem that most tram-trains are 2.65m wide but the Nottingham trams are 2.5m. The tram-trains would probably scrape the platforms and certainly wouldn't get round the Lace Market curve.

 

[bunnahabhain]

It all seems to me to be a solution looking for a problem to fit into.

 

[Tomnick]

The only reason I asked about the tunnel is because it collapsed in the middle - your reply suggests you didn't know that. Arnold by bus is dead easy.

Has it had a recent collapse? It was repaired after its collapse in the 1920s (?) and I thought it had remained intact since.

 

[73202]

Mapperley Tunnel is a 1,132-yard-long tunnel, built for the Derbyshire and Staffordshire Extension of the Great Northern Railway. This line ran from Colwick Junction in Nottingham to Egginton Junction in South Derbyshire. The route planned took the line through Mapperley via the Mapperley Tunnel built to avoid attempting to get the railway over the ridge. The tunnel was in use by 1875 but suffered a roof collapse due to mining subsidence on 23 January 1925. A length of roof about 12 yards long collapsed blocking the line with approximately 150 tons of rubble. Whilst repairs were undertaken traffic was diverted along the Nottingham Suburban Railway.[1] The tunnel was repaired but the continuing effects of subsidence resulted in speed restrictions in the 1950s and closure on 4 April 1960

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnels_of_Nottingham

 

[IKBrunel]

Interesting about these tunnels, I clearly have some exploring to do..
I wonder if any of them could be re-opened as cycle routes as they've done in Bath recently.