Stratford upon Avon services

[Haydn1971]

Heading down to Straford upon Avon in a few weeks for a two week residential course, I've got my tickets booked via work, but was interested in what stock I'd be riding on...

Sheffield - Leamington Spa - Mon 06:01 (XC)
Leamington Spa - Stratford upon Avon - Mon 08:18 (CR)

Stratford upon Avon - Birmingham Moor Street - Fri 14:26 (LM)
Birmingham New Street - Sheffield Fri 16:03 (XC)

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Sheffield-Leamington Spa will be a Voyager
Leamington Spa-Stratford is a mixture of three IIRC: 165s, 168s and 172s, but someone local I hope will be able to clarify. I think however 168s would be used for ex-London services only
Stratford-Brum will be a 172
Brum-Sheffield should be a HST

 

[Haydn1971]

Cheers... Could I ask how you find that out ?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

My own knowledge Anything on XC towards Reading etc is a Voyager; Chiltern is anything like I said; Stratford-Brum like the rest of the Snow Hill lines are 172s, though granted there is a 153+172 combination knocking about, and perhaps a 150 too; and I checked bb21's thread in the Allocations forum for XC HST diagrams, anything not on that list is a Voyager.

 

[craig87034]

but was interested in what stock I'd be riding on...

Leamington Spa - Stratford upon Avon - Mon 08:18 (CR)

its a 172

 

[Eagle]

Leamington Spa-Stratford is a mixture of three IIRC: 165s, 168s and 172s, but someone local I hope will be able to clarify.

It'll be a 168. Timed for 100 mph. (172s can do 100 mph, but they share diagrams with 165s which are only capable of 75.)

 

[The Planner]

It is really odd how it shows up as a 158 on those sites, can't work out why it doesn't filter down as 168.

 

[NSEFAN]

It is really odd how it shows up as a 158 on those sites, can't work out why it doesn't filter down as 168.

The reference to class 158 is to do with timing, not the actual stock that'll be on the service.

 

[The Planner]

I am fully aware of that...my user name may possibly give that away. What I am saying is that they are timed as 168s not 158s in TPS so unless they are linked to 158s in TOPS or another system then they should show as 168s on the open sites.

 

[causton]

I am fully aware of that...my user name may possibly give that away. What I am saying is that they are timed as 168s not 158s in TPS so unless they are linked to 158s in TOPS or another system then they should show as 168s on the open sites.

Interesting. I am told it is due to "ITPS downstream simplification" :P

 

[NSEFAN]

I am fully aware of that...my user name may possibly give that away. What I am saying is that they are timed as 168s not 158s in TPS so unless they are linked to 158s in TOPS or another system then they should show as 168s on the open sites.

Ahh I wasn't aware that 168 had it's own timing set.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

there is a 153+172 combination knocking about.

It's a 153 + 170 combination, one diagram only amongst all the 172s. I think it's done to allow the crews to retain the traction knowledge isn't it?

 

[67018]

(172s can do 100 mph, but they share diagrams with 165s which are only capable of 75.)

Are you sure this is always the case? For example, weekdays 1D54 from Marylebone http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/P20009/2013/06/17/advanced is also timed for 100mph and is booked for a 172.

 

[The Planner]

Chiltern don't time any services as 172 if I recall. Only seen LM and LOROL schedules with specific 172 times.

 

[Eagle]

The reference to class 158 is to do with timing, not the actual stock that'll be on the service.

Which I find odd, as actual 158s can't do 100 mph.

 

[SprinterMan]

Which I find odd, as actual 158s can't do 100 mph.

The traction timing code is DMUE, which translates as 158 on these sites, but actually means 158/168/170/171/175 and in some cases 172. 159s have their own special code "DMUX" for some reason, despite being the same as a 158. A 165/0 is DMUN and a 165/1 and 166 are DMUT. All of LO and LM's 172 services are timed as Sprinters (DMUS) AFAICS. Different codes can have more than one speed assigned to them, hence a true 158 service will show up as 90mph top speed.

AFAIK The codes stand for:

DMU - Diesel Multiple Unit (obviously :P )
E - Express as in Express Sprinter
N - Network as in Network Turbo
T - Turbo as in Network Turbo
S - Sprinter
X - God knows :P

Adam

 

[Eagle]

All of LO and LM's 172 services are timed as Sprinters (DMUS) AFAICS.

That makes sense, being as in both cases they replaced 150s.

 

[sprinterguy]

It's a 153 + 170 combination, one diagram only amongst all the 172s.

And with regard to this particular query, it doesn't get onto the Stratford route: Definitely all 172s between Stratford upon Avon and Birmingham.