New Station Fund: Haxby (York)

[Darren R]

Could run a PPM that terminates at Strensall and uses Platform 2 at York?

At which point the line would have turned full circle - these stations were served for a while by a 1920's equivalent operated by the North Eastern. The experiment failed to attract sufficient passengers and the stations closed in 1930.

http://www.lner.info/locos/IC/ner_petrol_bus.shtml

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

They'll do as their told!

Hush now, young sir, stop giving false hopes to other rural residents on this line. Otherwise the next thing we will see is a combined effort to reinstate the railway stations at Flaxton, Barton Hill and Huttons Ambo...

 

[Frothy]

I thought the whole point why Network Rail decided not to award Haxby the funds for re-opening was because York CC couldn't show that the stop at Haxby would be able to fit into the current timetable without further investment to upgrade the line?

 

[IanXC]

I thought the whole point why Network Rail decided not to award Haxby the funds for re-opening was because York CC couldn't show that the stop at Haxby would be able to fit into the current timetable without further investment to upgrade the line?

I haven't seen anything to suggest that final decisions have been made.

Perhaps that was a reason in a prevoius application? I know the current bid includes line speed improvements so the York to Scarborough journey times stay the same.

 

[Spaceflower]

Why does there need to be a train service at all? Isn't a bus service cheaper to run and (especially for the elders) will provide a more direct service to your doorstep.

 

[JohnCarlson]

Why does there need to be a train service at all? Isn't a bus service cheaper to run and (especially for the elders) will provide a more direct service to your doorstep.

Indeed. Why do people want to go outside the house at all.

 

[Spaceflower]

Indeed. Why do people want to go outside the house at all.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

What I meant is that the bus is a more efficent form of transport when considering the investment required to provide Haxby with a rail station with an adequate service. When confronted with the hard facts of what this involves, most people in favour of such a scheme are quick to find solutions to a non-existent problem. A dedicated service had been suggested, which, along with the construction costs, would not be cheap to implement and run. Outside of rush hour, exactly what would the likely usage of such a service be? Why is it needed so bad, is the existing bus service inadequate? Even if it was justifiable surely there is greater need elsewhere. Although, as has already been mentioned, it depends on 'who' a proposed station would serve and their influence of power. But call me sceptical.....

 

[Eccles]

What I meant is that the bus is a more efficent form of transport when considering the investment required to provide Haxby with a rail station with an adequate service. When confronted with the hard facts of what this involves, most people in favour of such a scheme are quick to find solutions to a non-existent problem. A dedicated service had been suggested, which, along with the construction costs, would not be cheap to implement and run. Outside of rush hour, exactly what would the likely usage of such a service be? Why is it needed so bad, is the existing bus service inadequate? Even if it was justifiable surely there is greater need elsewhere. Although, as has already been mentioned, it depends on 'who' a proposed station would serve and their influence of power. But call me sceptical.....

One of the main arguments for the station is that a fair number of people who live in Haxby commute to the likes of Leeds or Wakefield. The bus from Haxby to York station takes a good half hour (safer to allow 40 mins); add that on to the train journey to Leeds, factor in safe connection time at York and you can see why people drive it - it takes about 45 minutes, door-to-door in the car.

With a station at Haxby, you could be at York station in about five minutes. Whether connecting or on a through service, it cuts a lot of time off the journey. Taking some of the cars off the A1237 and A64 can only be a good thing!

Outside of commuters, I do agree - not sure a shuttle service would be entirely viable. Which is where stopping the existing hourly Scarborough service idea came from I imagine...

 

[Nym]

Why don't we look at providing stations at the P&R sites around York, or would it be not allowed to abstract revenue away from precious First Group?

 

[JohnCarlson]

Why don't we look at providing stations at the P&R sites around York, or would it be not allowed to abstract revenue away from precious First Group?

Just south of Dringhouses would seem an excellent place to me. If TPE services were to stop there it would cut the hassle of commuting to Leeds etc. If some XC and EC services were to stop there it might also relieve pressure on the central area of York. And the site is quite convenient for York racecourse
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

What I meant is that the bus is a more efficent form of transport when considering the investment required to provide Haxby with a rail station with an adequate service. When confronted with the hard facts of what this involves, most people in favour of such a scheme are quick to find solutions to a non-existent problem. A dedicated service had been suggested, which, along with the construction costs, would not be cheap to implement and run. Outside of rush hour, exactly what would the likely usage of such a service be? Why is it needed so bad, is the existing bus service inadequate? Even if it was justifiable surely there is greater need elsewhere. Although, as has already been mentioned, it depends on 'who' a proposed station would serve and their influence of power. But call me sceptical.....

Well sorry and all that but by that kind of argument we probably wouldn't have the Tyne and Wear metro and so on. It could also be argued that having that long double track line with only three stations and one train an hour is being over indulgent to the people of Scarborough when they could make do with an adequate express bus service to York instead.

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One of the main arguments for the station is that a fair number of people who live in Haxby commute to the likes of Leeds or Wakefield. The bus from Haxby to York station takes a good half hour (safer to allow 40 mins); add that on to the train journey to Leeds, factor in safe connection time at York and you can see why people drive it - it takes about 45 minutes, door-to-door in the car.

With a station at Haxby, you could be at York station in about five minutes. Whether connecting or on a through service, it cuts a lot of time off the journey. Taking some of the cars off the A1237 and A64 can only be a good thing!

Outside of commuters, I do agree - not sure a shuttle service would be entirely viable. Which is where stopping the existing hourly Scarborough service idea came from I imagine...

IIRC though there are plans to build a lot of houses in the Haxby area which would probably lead to greater demand for both road and rail services anyway.

 

[Eagle]

Why don't we look at providing stations at the P&R sites around York, or would it be not allowed to abstract revenue away from precious First Group?

Unless TPE run the trains there :P

In terms of converting/supplementing a P&R to rail, we could do well by watching how Stratford Parkway/Bishopton fares in terms of P&R to Stratford-on-Avon. (In this case the buses are run by Johnsons and the trains by Govia and Arriva.)

 

[Spaceflower]

Just south of Dringhouses would seem an excellent place to me. If TPE services were to stop there it would cut the hassle of commuting to Leeds etc. If some XC and EC services were to stop there it might also relieve pressure on the central area of York. And the site is quite convenient for York racecourse
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Well sorry and all that but by that kind of argument we probably wouldn't have the Tyne and Wear metro and so on. It could also be argued that having that long double track line with only three stations and one train an hour is being over indulgent to the people of Scarborough when they could make do with an adequate express bus service to York instead.

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IIRC though there are plans to build a lot of houses in the Haxby area which would probably lead to greater demand for both road and rail services anyway.

I might tend to agree with the case for the metro extension from Park Lane to South Hylton!

However the argument for a station at Haxby is a little different from the case for a mass transit system serving the large conurbation of Tyneside.

I have no doubt if Beeching had closed the line from Scarborough to York it wouldn't be re-opened anytime soon. However, the line is well used, but remember that Scarborough is a fairly modest sized town which also recieves a large influx of traffic during the summer months. Besides I'm not saying Haxby doesn't warrant its own station, I'm questioning the reasons for justifying it. And I've done this without resorting to sarcasm.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Were any offficial fully-detailed reasons given for not accepting the bids from those other station proposals exterior to those of the three stations that actually went forward ?

 

[JohnCarlson]

I might tend to agree with the case for the metro extension from Park Lane to South Hylton!

However the argument for a station at Haxby is a little different from the case for a mass transit system serving the large conurbation of Tyneside.

I have no doubt if Beeching had closed the line from Scarborough to York it wouldn't be re-opened anytime soon. However, the line is well used, but remember that Scarborough is a fairly modest sized town which also recieves a large influx of traffic during the summer months. Besides I'm not saying Haxby doesn't warrant its own station, I'm questioning the reasons for justifying it. And I've done this without resorting to sarcasm.

Sorry I wasn't really using sarcasm. I was just a little exasperated by what seems to be your trying to make a case against something that is just common sense. Bus services are always going to be cheaper to run than trains and there is always going to be the argument that its door to door by bus. On that basis there is no reason to have a Tyne and Wear Metro. The place is pretty well covered by bus routes and instead of a metro train from South Shields to Newcastle every ten minutes you could have an extra double deck bus every five minutes. The downside is that that the bus service would be much less comfortable and would take much longer and people would probably be less inclined to use public transport. I dont see the argument that having to get off your train walk across a footbridge to a bus outside the station then spend another thirty minutes on a bus is just a good as just staying in your train seat for another five minutes or so.