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Of course the idea of Christmas Day being a 'special' non-working day is a fairly recent one. There were Christmas Day train into the 1960s, post was delivered on Christmas Day until 1965 in Scotland and as a kid I can remember travelling on the tube on Christmas Day as late as 1979.
 
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I've never worked Christmas Day, but did offer to work Boxing Day one year when some scrote burnt down the relay room at Soho and an emergency timetable needed to be put together. In the event I wasn't called in until the 27th and was greatly entertained by the sight of the Big Boss Man in his Christmas prezzy Elk sweater :D
 

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Of course the idea of Christmas Day being a 'special' non-working day is a fairly recent one. There were Christmas Day train into the 1960s, post was delivered on Christmas Day until 1965 in Scotland and as a kid I can remember travelling on the tube on Christmas Day as late as 1979.

Indeed post was delivered in Wales on Xmas Day in the 60s, The Crewe/Bangor TPO ran, and in the entertaining trade, pubs whats left of them now have always opened.
 

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Well, I can go out for a walk on Christmas Day afternoon and see the Stagecoach Manchester 43 bus trundling to and from the airport. And on Boxing Day there's quite a good service on major routes. I suppose for trains there's still quite a high fixed cost for a reduced service.

There is still a skeleton service on Boxing Day in GM. There is a normal Sunday bus service in London.
 

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Given the fall in Christians in the 2011 Census, I think a loosening of Christmas Day restrictions is perfectly acceptable.
 

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As a gesture of gratitude to their supporters the nation's professional footballers should donate their Boxing Day earnings to pay train drivers to work Boxing Day to enable fans to travel to the matches.

That would be in the parallell world where the players actually gave a rat's arse about the fans.

I think the leagues generally try to schedule matches between neighbouring teams that get on (ie no Derbys) to minimise travel

Plus it's only the top flight that get the mega wages, in the lower leagues a typical player's wages are less then most train drivers ;)
 

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I think the leagues generally try to schedule matches between neighbouring teams that get on (ie no Derbys) to minimise travel

Plus it's only the top flight that get the mega wages, in the lower leagues a typical player's wages are less then most train drivers ;)

It is a pain though for those fans that aren't local though.
 

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Well another reason to support your local team rather then glory hunting in the premier ;)

Most of the guys at work support Premier League teams despite having no connection to the team's city and then moan at the cost of getting to Manchester/Liverpool/Chelsea to see their team....
 

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I think the leagues generally try to schedule matches between neighbouring teams that get on (ie no Derbys) to minimise travel

Hmmm, here's Newcastle Utd's last dozen Boxing Day matches:

2012 Man Utd (away)
2011 Bolton (away)
2010 Man City (home)
2009 Sheffield Weds (away)
2008 Wigan (away)
2007 Wigan (away)
2006 Bolton (away)
2005 Liverpool (away)
2004 Blackburn (away)
2003 Leicester (away)
2002 Bolton (away)
2001 Middlesbrough (home)

I think only the 2001 match fits your criteria.
 

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I would love for there to be Boxing Day trains. It would mean I could escape back home from visiting the folks a day earlier!
 

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Well another reason to support your local team rather then glory hunting in the premier ;)

Most of the guys at work support Premier League teams despite having no connection to the team's city and then moan at the cost of getting to Manchester/Liverpool/Chelsea to see their team....

I don't think I could be considered a glory hunter. ;) *cough* Arsenal *cough* :(

Peterborough would be my local team I have no affiliation with em what so ever. Family of Gooners all coming from London.
 

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National Express and Megabus offer a near normal service on Boxing Day.

Presumably many (if not most?) football clubs offer their own coach service to away matches?
 

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A friend of mine just told me he paid £40 to get a taxi to/from Darlington to Middlesbrough so he could watch their game one Boxing Day.
 

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Given the fall in Christians in the 2011 Census, I think a loosening of Christmas Day restrictions is perfectly acceptable.


No thats a really bad idea, because all that will happen is that staff will be pressured into working, its not just the religious side of it, its the fact that for many people it'll be the only time they get 2 days off work in a row to spend with their friends and families.
 

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Why do people feel the need to go shopping on what is supposedly a "family" day. there are 363 other days available but no they have to go on Christmas day to get the "bargains"!:roll:

I don't know. But the fact is that they do go shopping in large numbers at that time of year - Boxing Day is the busiest single shopping day of the year, and you've little chance of getting parked at any retail park for the few days after either.

We can argue about the rights and wrongs of this consumerist world, but the reality is that Boxing Day is a very busy time of year for travelling (not just shopping but also the full set of sporting fixtures etc) - should the railway ignore this demand? More and more people seem to work Boxing Day nowadays (whether on overtime or not) - is the railway a public service to meet people's travel demands?

Is it me or is the annual thread on Boxing Day trains a little late this year? :lol:

I think we've had a couple of previous threads locked because they "go over old ground" (unlike all the threads about Pacers, Voyagers etc) :lol:
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for many people it'll be the only time they get 2 days off work in a row to spend with their friends and families

...time that they will spend shopping/ watching football etc?

Presumably railway staff don't shop on Boxing day?

To put the figures in context, I think there are something like a million people who attend Christian church services each week - quite a minority in 2012.
 

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Mmm this thread was slightly late starting this year.
Please bear in mind as a railway employee I work in the private sector, yes the TOCS are private sector due to the fact they are err privatised.
Therefore I for one won't ever contemplate giving up my Christmas Day and boxing with my family and kids for any amount off pressure/money from anyone. I generally end up working all other bank holidays, Easter etc, get my annual leave dictated to me so these are my guaranteed days each year with my kids.
I won't be using my football season ticket on Boxing Day either but hey if I can accept it why can't others?

I'm not sure why the mods allow this to come up on a new thread each year, can't we just merge into any off the last how many years threads so we can all bask in the same old comments being regurgitated over and over.

The simple fact remains virtually no TOCs run a service on these two days but many pway staff will be out working on upgrades etc and to those that have to work you have my sympthathy and I hope what ever time u get to grab with your families over Christmas is wonderfull as you would have deserved it.

Right gotta go now as I'm off to buy more port and brandy so I can get drunk on Xmas day with the knowledge I won't be working on Boxing Day
 

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is the railway a public service to meet people's travel demands?

No, it's a whole collection of private businesses whose objective is to make as much profit as possible for their respective shareholders.
 

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Well, this is going to crop up year after year as it's always going to be a hot topic. As far as I'm concerned, xmas should be sacrosanct. Not a train on the move anywhere. But boxing day ...... Companies have managed to run skeleton services now and again. They all should.

Well, got to give the chaps a day off eh :)

Also, the vast majority of people don't move very far on xmas day so they'd probably be justified in citing a lack of demand. I very much doubt the same would be true on boxing day.
 
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If the idea is that nothing should interefere with the staff's Christmas Day then it wouldn't be fair to require them to be on duty on Boxing Day as they wouldn't be able to drink and may well not be able to stay up very late into the evening if they were required to be on duty for the start of serice on Boxing Day. This isn't a personal opinion, I'm just saying that running a service on Boxing Day can have an impact on Christmas Day for the staff.
 

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Well, this is going to crop up year after year as it's always going to be a hot topic. As far as I'm concerned, xmas should be sacrosanct. Not a train on the move anywhere. But boxing day ...... Companies have managed to run skeleton services now and again. They all should.

I agree - almost! :)

There should be a review, considering likely demand balanced against practicality (some routes will cost a lot more than others to open - manning of signalboxes, crossings etc), and then we could see what services were justified and which were not.

But cannot see it happening with the current structure of the industry.
 

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Just out of interest, why?

Got to give the chaps a day off one day eh :)

Plus, I doubt many people move around that much on xmas, so they'd probably be justified in citing a lack of demand - which I very much doubt would be the case on boxing day.
 

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Got to give the chaps a day off one day eh :)

Plus, I doubt many people move around that much on xmas, so they'd probably be justified in citing a lack of demand - which I very much doubt would be the case on boxing day.
Just curious as to why people feel it's so "sacrosanct" to have Christmas Day as a non-working day, as it never used to be. In fact it's really quite a modern phenomenon and nothing to do with the religious festival
 

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Just curious as to why people feel it's so "sacrosanct" to have Christmas Day as a non-working day, as it never used to be. In fact it's really quite a modern phenomenon and nothing to do with the religious festival

I'm quite a modern man and I've come to like it that way ;)
 

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Got to give the chaps a day off one day eh :)

Plus, I doubt many people move around that much on xmas, so they'd probably be justified in citing a lack of demand - which I very much doubt would be the case on boxing day.

I think this is the key point. When I travel on Christmas Day itself I tend to find the roads very, very quiet. Most peoople who are travelling seem to be en route to other family members.

I once had to travel Crewe to Birmingham on Boxing Day - the M6 was heaving! People are making longer distance journeys to more distant family, shopping, going to sports events etc etc.
 

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I don't know. But the fact is that they do go shopping in large numbers at that time of year - Boxing Day is the busiest single shopping day of the year, and you've little chance of getting parked at any retail park for the few days after either.

Since most retail parks are nowhere near a railway station, that may not be that good an argument for rail services on Boxing Day.

We can argue about the rights and wrongs of this consumerist world, but the reality is that Boxing Day is a very busy time of year for travelling (not just shopping but also the full set of sporting fixtures etc) - should the railway ignore this demand?

If there were to be trains on Boxing Day, that should be a commercial decision, based on the whether the services would cover their costs or not.

More and more people seem to work Boxing Day nowadays (whether on overtime or not) - is the railway a public service to meet people's travel demands?

It always nice to hear the phrase 'public service' - it is quite a while since anything in this country was treated as a public service, it's all about money these days.

It seems, though, that the cry of 'the railway is a public service' only comes up at this time of year and on this topic!!!

I think we've had a couple of previous threads locked because they "go over old ground" (unlike all the threads about Pacers, Voyagers etc) :lol:

Perhaps this one should be locked as well then! :lol:

Just for the record, I am not against rail services on Boxing Day. But I do believe that no one should be forced to work on that day if their contract does not specify it, and services should only be run if they are not a further drain on public subsidy.

Other than that, if there is a demand and there are staff who are willing to work, perhaps a limited service in many areas could be justified.

Mmm this thread was slightly late starting this year.
Please bear in mind as a railway employee I work in the private sector, yes the TOCS are private sector due to the fact they are err privatised.
Therefore I for one won't ever contemplate giving up my Christmas Day and boxing with my family and kids for any amount off pressure/money from anyone.

I am sure that you are not the only one. If I were still on the railway I would be of the same mind! That said, one or two colleagues did express a willingness to work Boxing Day, for various reasons, ranging from not beign quite so family focussed to wanting extra leave to go to Australia!

I'm not sure why the mods allow this to come up on a new thread each year, can't we just merge into any off the last how many years threads so we can all bask in the same old comments being regurgitated over and over.

I am becoming keener by the minute to close this thread! ;)

If the idea is that nothing should interefere with the staff's Christmas Day then it wouldn't be fair to require them to be on duty on Boxing Day as they wouldn't be able to drink and may well not be able to stay up very late into the evening if they were required to be on duty for the start of serice on Boxing Day. This isn't a personal opinion, I'm just saying that running a service on Boxing Day can have an impact on Christmas Day for the staff.

Indeed it would. However, some staff may be quite willing to make these sacrifices! Thiose who aren't should be given the day off!

Just curious as to why people feel it's so "sacrosanct" to have Christmas Day as a non-working day, as it never used to be. In fact it's really quite a modern phenomenon and nothing to do with the religious festival

It's all about family friendly working, work life balance etc. To say that just because it used to be a normal working day for more people, it should be again, is a little akin to saying that children should be sent up chimneys again!

Of course, I realise that is not what you are saying! ;) As for Christmas being a religious festival, it never was, it was appropirated by the early Christians from the Pagan midwinter festivals as a way to encourage the pagans to convert to their 'new' religion! :lol:
 

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As a matter of interest is it really cost effective to run a skeleton service for the whole country on Boxing Day? I suspect not and also you cannot look at trains in isolation. Buses run reduced Sunday services etc. I'm happy for railstaff to have the two days off.

The fact that trains run on New Years Day is a big bonus.
 

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The fact that trains run on New Years Day is a big bonus.
What's strange about this is that in many areas there is absolutely no bus service at all on New Year's Day. I'm not quite sure why there would be demand for trains but not buses.
 

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Since most retail parks are nowhere near a railway station, that may not be that good an argument for rail services on Boxing Day

It's an example that the rest of the world doesn't suddenly stop on Boxing Day - most people treat Boxing Day in the way that they treat a regular Sunday - time to shop/ visit people/ watch sport etc.

The railway is about the only "industry" in the UK that goes on this Boxing Day shut down - leaving people to find alternative arrangements on the busiest shopping day of the year.

If there were to be trains on Boxing Day, that should be a commercial decision, based on the whether the services would cover their costs or not

Really? Many services don't cover their costs on a normal weekday - look at the subsidies required for most franchises - should we take this approach to branch lines all year round?

It always nice to hear the phrase 'public service' - it is quite a while since anything in this country was treated as a public service, it's all about money these days.

It seems, though, that the cry of 'the railway is a public service' only comes up at this time of year and on this topic!!!

"public service" crops up all the time as a justification for things - hence the railway providing "socially necessary" services on backwater routes and needing large subsidy to do so.

Perhaps this one should be locked as well then! :lol:

I am becoming keener by the minute to close this thread! ;)
 
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