Christmas/New Year rail travel

[43074]

Details of services over the Christmas period can be found in the document below, including boxing day services, engineering works, close of service etc.

www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disr...012/Christmas and New Year Media Document.pdf

Quite surprised London Overground aren't running a Boxing Day service. I'd have though there would be quite some demand for LO services on Boxing day, especially as they serve both of London's Westfield shopping centres and there are no engineering works on their network.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Not only No Boxing Day service but also an early close down on Christmas Eve.

 

[Eagle]

Well, if they could find the staff willing to run LO that day (and the right amount of pay)...

Also, how do you know that there's no engineering on their network on December 26? National Rail don't advertise engineering taking place on days where there's no train service anyway. (Not doubting you if you've got some other source, of course )

 

[43074]

Also, how do you know that there's no engineering on their network on December 26? National Rail don't advertise engineering taking place on days where there's no train service anyway. (Not doubting you if you've got some other source, of course )

Page 34 of the document I attached

 

[bicbasher]

The LO operation appears to be the only TfL service not operating on Boxing Day, which could be a legacy from the Silverlink era with the contracts of their staff.

Luckily London's bus network will be operating from around 0800 on Boxing Day to a Sunday timetable, so I can survive without public transport for a day.

 

[TDK]

Not only No Boxing Day service but also an early close down on Christmas Eve.

Same old, same old every year - of course all railway workers should work Christmas day and drive empty trains everywhere :roll:

 

[ainsworth74]

Who said anything about Christmas day?

 

[455driver]

And so it starts!:roll:

If they want me to work Christmas day I will but I will be bringing my whole family with me so we can have a proper family Christmas. Although I may leave the Christmas pudding behind as it will be rather potent!

Why do people feel the need to go shopping on what is supposedly a "family" day. there are 363 other days available but no they have to go on Christmas day to get the "bargains"!:roll:

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When I were a bus driver my company tried running a boxing day service of an hourly service on the main routes from 0900-2000, a normal days takings was about £150, I cashed in £13.50 and noboby cashed in more than £22, needless to say they didnt bother after that. It is simply not viable to run a cost neutral service on boxing day so who is going to pay for it?
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Who said anything about Christmas day?

Give them 2 minutes!

 

[GodAtum]

Unfortunately I'll be working Xmas day this year! Is there any way I can get from Croydon to Victoria as I dont drive? Taxi maybe?

 

[Eagle]

Page 34 of the document I attached

If you actually comprehended the post you quoted...

National Rail don't advertise engineering taking place on days where there's no train service anyway.

Nowhere on that page does it say there is no engineering work on that day. Just that there are no trains.

 

[sonic2009]

Unfortunately I'll be working Xmas day this year! Is there any way I can get from Croydon to Victoria as I dont drive? Taxi maybe?

Taxi or Walk

 

[6Gman]

BR ran some services on a Boxing Day in the late 70s (1977? '78?) - Liverpool/Manchester - Crewe - Birmingham - Euston.

They were rammed.

Unlikely ever to happen in a franchised system.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Same old, same old every year - of course all railway workers should work Christmas day and drive empty trains everywhere :roll:

Did I mention Christmas Day ? Don't think I did.

London Overground is part of TfL - the rest of TfL's transport network is not shutting down early on Christmas Eve.

 

[Greenback]

Is it me or is the annual thread on Boxing Day trains a little late this year?

 

[radamfi]

FCC normally run Bedford to Brighton on Boxing Day but not this year. That means no service at Three Bridges as Southern are running non-stop between Gatwick and Haywards Heath. There are local buses between Three Bridges, Crawley and Gatwick though.

 

[Mutant Lemming]

Is it me or is the annual thread on Boxing Day trains a little late this year?

As a gesture of gratitude to their supporters the nation's professional footballers should donate their Boxing Day earnings to pay train drivers to work Boxing Day to enable fans to travel to the matches.

That would be in the parallell world where the players actually gave a rat's arse about the fans.

 

[Eagle]

Do footballers get paid more for working on bank holidays? They'd be legally entitled to, I'm sure.

 

[Roverman]

Is it me or is the annual thread on Boxing Day trains a little late this year?

Blame the Olympics, everythings been held back

 

[telstarbox]

Is extra pay on Bank Holidays compulsory under law? (I didn't think it was).

 

[krus_aragon]

Is extra pay on Bank Holidays compulsory under law?

Not at all. It's up to the employer, like time-and-a-half etc on a Sunday. Legally a bank holiday just means a holidy for bank workers.

 

[merlodlliw]

Do footballers get paid more for working on bank holidays? They'd be legally entitled to, I'm sure.

All the Premier players are self employed,Club usually pays the agent,then deducts his cut. Thats my understanding

No regulations or act says anyone is entitled to extra pay for working bank holidays, its usually an agreement with the Unions or other negotiators.
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As a gesture of gratitude to their supporters the nation's professional footballers should donate their Boxing Day earnings to pay train drivers to work Boxing Day to enable fans to travel to the matches.

That would be in the parallell world where the players actually gave a rat's arse about the fans.

Greedy agents would block that.

 

[455driver]

Do footballers get paid more for working on bank holidays? They'd be legally entitled to, I'm sure.

Why, I work every other bank holiday for flat money, IE no enhancements what so ever!
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Is extra pay on Bank Holidays compulsory under law?

No it isnt.
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As a gesture of gratitude to their supporters the nation's professional footballers should donate their Boxing Day earnings to pay train drivers to work Boxing Day to enable fans to travel to the matches.

That would be in the parallell world where the players actually gave a rat's arse about the fans.

They can donate all they like, I am not/will not ever work on Christmas day no matter how much money is on offer.

Christmas is about the only time that the whole family can get together and I aint working for anything, I am contracted to work any of the other 363 days a year and until they buy my contract off me and issue me a new one stating I must work Christmas day/boxing day when required I wont work them!

maybe everyone who will moan about the lack of trains on these days would like to volunteer to work instead?

 

[merlodlliw]

maybe everyone who will moan about the lack of trains on these days would like to volunteer to work instead?

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I think some of the comments now are uncalled for, with so many unemployed &
I applaud nurses/ doctors /emergency services who work on Christmas Day which like Good Friday is not a Bank Holiday.


Bob

 

[GodAtum]

I would love to volunteer to be a driver :P

 

[scarby]

Can't see much point of repeating the old Christmas Day discussion, but as mentioned upthread, who mentioned Christmas Day?

Why should the services come to a standstill on the evening of December 24, which by definition is a working day? The last northbound service out of King's Cross is at 19.30 - and if you wanted to get to Scarborough that day you would have to leave at 16.30 latest instead of 20.00.

As it is, I will be in Leeds that day and will have to leave at 18.12 latest, as for some incomprehensible reason that is the last train to Scarborough.

 

[Be3G]

Luckily London's bus network will be operating from around 0800 on Boxing Day to a Sunday timetable, so I can survive without public transport for a day.

Interestingly, TfL are slightly enhancing things this year by starting 24-hour bus routes at 6am on Boxing Day; previously, the only early starters used to be hospital and Heathrow routes.

 

[jon0844]

I'd like to see trains on Christmas Day, but it isn't going to happen even though I am sure there are many drivers who would volunteer if the money was right.

We live in a multicultural society for one, and the other is that encouraging people to use PT over Christmas might help stop people drink driving (in stops over Christmas, the police in Herts can claim anywhere from 10-15% of people being over the limit - which is rather concerning). Then you have Boxing Day where people go out to get some air, perhaps to shop, see football or meet more family members etc.

The problem, of course, is that you can't just start running services as it would take time for them to be used - and in the meantime, it would appear that they aren't needed. People are aware of there being no trains and wouldn't suddenly start using them straight away - and who would pay to advertise them?

And how would the TOC know that the drivers would turn up, given how many might simply call in sick when they change their mind. Advertise the services and you'll now end up laying on buses or paying for taxis.

All of this is why we won't get a public transport service at Christmas, even for those who don't celebrate Christmas at all and may have to get to work themselves.

Fortunately, taxi drivers seem more keen to work, so people can still get around. Therefore, while we all air our opinions either way - another thread is just pointless as nothing can change.

 

[455driver]

My post (#22) at 1053 today reads a little more abruptly than it was intended to do and for that I apologise, it wasnt meant to read like that.

I still aint working though!

 

[merlodlliw]

My post (#22) at 1053 today reads a little more abruptly than it was intended to do and for that I apologise, it wasnt meant to read like that.

I still aint working though!

As you have ended this with a wink, ill upgrade you to a winker

I too have sent e mails and after thought, did I send it like that, fully understand




Bob

 

[neilmc]

Well, I can go out for a walk on Christmas Day afternoon and see the Stagecoach Manchester 43 bus trundling to and from the airport. And on Boxing Day there's quite a good service on major routes. I suppose for trains there's still quite a high fixed cost for a reduced service.