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From a press release released this afternoon by the Taxpayers' Alliance.

Taxpayers Alliance said:
Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin is facing a new raft of questions today as to whether his department's case for High Speed Rail 2 (HS2) stacks up, in the wake of the West Coast Main Line (WCML) franchise fiasco.

Fundamental errors in calculations by Department for Transport officials caused the recently-appointed Secretary of State yesterday to abandon the award of the WCML franchise to FirstGroup. Concerns have now been renewed that the Government is proceeding with the HS2 project on the back of similarly-flawed assumptions and calculations.

Matthew Sinclair, Chief Executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, has today written to Mr McLoughlin outlining the questions that the Department for Transport must answer in order to prove that the cost benefit analysis for HS2 has been rigorous, robust and based on the most up-to-date information.

Mr Sinclair said: "The serious errors made over the West Coast rail franchise have cost the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds and the whole process is now rightly going to have to start from scratch. So when the Government is intent on spending £32 billion of our money on a project like HS2, we need to be absolutely certain that the go-ahead is not given on the back of similarly flawed calculations, assumptions and projections.

"Yet there are serious questions about the basis on which the Government is proceeding with HS2. Why has the Department for Transport assumed that no business traveller does work on a train? And why is an outdated forecasting model being used to project demand?

"Unless ministers can give credible answers to these and a number of other questions I have posed, taxpayers will have every right to remain anxious that their money is being squandered on a white elephant."
The full text of the letter to Mr McLoughlin is as follows

Dear Secretary of State,

We were naturally alarmed to learn yesterday of how serious errors by civil servants in your department caused you to abandon the award of a new franchise on the West Coast Main Line (WCML), at a cost of tens of millions of pounds to the taxpayer.

The news has only served to reinforce the concerns that the TaxPayers’ Alliance has long held about the calculations and assumptions behind the case for HS2, a project for which you are set to invoice UK taxpayers at least £32 billion.

We believe that in the wake of the WCML fiasco, you should now be demanding a wholesale re-evaluation of the calculations made by your department with respect to HS2.

Over the last two years, the TaxPayers’ Alliance has published a number of pieces of research questioning those calculations, namely:

• High Speed Rail (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/highspeedrail.pdf)
• HS2 Capacity Analysis (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/hs2capacity.pdf)
• The hidden costs of HS2 (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/hs2hiddencosts.pdf)

Your Permanent Secretary recently told the Transport Select Committee that the latest HS2 business case, published in August 2012, “uses the most up-to-date information”, yet there is clear evidence to the contrary.

To summarise, the specific questions which we would put to you, and which we believe you should be putting to your officials, are the following:

• Why do you ignore the extensive research that concludes that business travellers do work on trains, whilst also using out-of-date data (eleven years old, no less) and incorrect assumptions on the value of time? Indeed, your department misled the Public Accounts Committee on the value of time, during evidence on 18th April 2012, stating that the £70k per annum was not an earnings figure. This has now been identified as incorrect following receipt of further information through a Freedom of Information request. Value of time benefits provide 55% of the total HS2 benefits and using the correct value of time will significantly reduce these.

• Why are you still using an outdated forecasting model (Passenger Demand Forecasting handbook v4.1) rather than the updated model (PDFH v 5.0)? The old model significantly overstated forecast growth of long distance trips and thus the growth in demand for HS2.

• Why do you not include fare competition to or premium pricing for HS2, even though premium prices are charged for HS1? This issue has been raised by the Public Accounts Committee: price competition is an important part of delivering value for money for passengers on the railways and can have a significant impact. For example, Chiltern Railways has increased its revenue between London and the West Midlands by 45% since the completion of Evergreen3 last year, due to improved services and their fares being lower than the WCML; many of these additional passengers will have transferred from the WCML.

• Why do you exclude the recent High Level Output Statement (HLOS) and InterCity Express Project (IEP) announcements from the base case against which HS2 is assessed? These investments will increase capacity and reduce journey times, particularly on the Midland and the East Coast Main Lines, which will have the effect of significantly reducing the benefits of HS2.

• Why do you exclude the direct services to HS1, committed to by your predecessor in the decision on HS2 at the beginning of this year? Inclusion of these services will reduce the number of HS2 services from Euston to the destinations on the HS2 route and thus reduce HS2’s revenue (as well as resulting in some cities almost certainly not getting the high speed services to London which they have been promised). Furthermore, the economics of the HS1 services will be dreadful, significantly further worsening the overall HS2 business case.

• Why do you apply a 41% optimism bias (OB) to the operating cost savings? This dramatically increases the supposed benefits of HS2, when its purpose is to allow for underestimations in costs. Your department says it has applied optimism bias to the operating cost savings as there are no rules in the OB guidance on savings. This is entirely contrary to the purpose and intention of OB.

I trust that you would agree that delivering taxpayer value for money is of paramount importance for all government departments. It is absolutely essential that decisions can be made about the potential value of HS2 based on accurate, reliable and evidence-based calculations and projections, so I very much hope that you and your colleagues will take on board these concerns with the seriousness which I believe they merit.

Given the public interest in these matters, I am releasing this letter to the media.

Yours sincerely,

Matthew Sinclair
I should add that I have no connection with the Taxpayers Alliance or DfT but merely pass on this item of news for information and no doubt to have it duly discussed. Don't shoot the messenger!
 
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Quelle Suprise

This will now be business as usual - Don’t like a transport policy? - the DfT MUST have their figures wrong therefore it MUST be stopped.
 

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The issue of the DfT getting their calculations wrong on WCML means that they have got it wrong on HS2 is a red herring.

Simply the calculations for HS2 are based on about 2-2.5% growth per year whilst the calculation for WCML is based on how much risk is there on First's and/or Virgin's bids based on a growth rate each year of about double that (and not far off the growth rate for the line since privatisation).

Now because the DfT has used a growth rate that is about half the current growth rate, to try to use robust assumptions, it is likely (given none of us know what the world will be like in 2026) that the figures used for HS2 are unlikely to be too low.

If you have growth of 5% in 2012 and then growth of 2.5% for every year until 2025 and then 0% growth you still end up about the same number of passengers in 2026 than under 2.5% growth over the whole time.

Even 5% growth in 2012 till end 2014, followed by 4 years of 4% growth followed by 3 years of 2.5% growth (end of 2021) and then 0% growth for the remaining 5 years gives you more passenger then than in 2026 with 2.5% growth all the way through.
 

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The Ham said:
.... it is likely (given none of us know what the world will be like in 2026) that the figures used for HS2 are unlikely to be too low.

A comparison to the numerical forward projection motorway usage figures by those who rather professorial types in the Department of Transport in the 1980's would tend to prove the point that you make in your quote above.
 

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Predictions? Estimates? It's all guessing. Ultimately the decision to build HS2 is based on faith in guesswork.

Quite, but then the argument not to build it is based on the same, just the assumptions made tend to be more pessimistic.

The only problem with a pessimistic view is if they are too pessimistic then HS2 could be needed in 2030 (for instance) and nothing is planned until to be opened until 8 years after that date because of delays in starting the project because of assuming the worst is just about to happen. Likewise HS2 could be needed in 2018 because the DfT growth figures are far too low (as growth runs at 6% rather than 2.5%) and you still end up with 8 years without HS2 when it was needed

It is a fine line to tread.
 

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I take it there not as interested in the £6.5bn contract for IEP trains which has been edited numerous times since initial speculation and many inside the industry doubt the figures add up....but I guess thats not too much of a concern for home counties commuters.
 

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I'm a tax payer

the Taxpayers Alliance have never contacted me to see what I think about anything.

They're a self appointed pressure group.

Corrected that for you.

Also, they seem to be (or have been) under investigation by the Charities Commission for incorrectly claiming tax-free status on some donations.

Perhaps you'd like to join the Other Tax payers alliance...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_TaxPayers'_Alliance
 

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Corrected that for you.

Also, they seem to be (or have been) under investigation by the Charities Commission for incorrectly claiming tax-free status on some donations.

Perhaps you'd like to join the Other Tax payers alliance...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_TaxPayers'_Alliance

I'd be sceptical of anything the TaxPayers Alliance says given that they're hardly a partisan group - most of their advisers are Austrian school economists and Thatcherites. Like any pressure group they show statistics which fit their agenda.

To the best of my knowledge the TaxPayers alliance has, in the past, been notoriously opaque as to where their funding comes from.
 

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Rightly or wrongly, many major projects have been built on faith: Brunel convinced the shareholders of the GWR that the broad gauge was the right thing to do. Their faith in him was misplaced. Any venture like this carries the risk of failure, we have to live with that possibility, we don't really have a choice.
 

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To me even if the buisness case does not add up. It should still be built. Did the golden gate bridge or the hoover dam have a buisness case?
Sometimes things must be done because the benefit can not be measured for a BCR.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Rightly or wrongly, many major projects have been built on faith: Brunel convinced the shareholders of the GWR that the broad gauge was the right thing to do. Their faith in him was misplaced. Any venture like this carries the risk of failure, we have to live with that possibility, we don't really have a choice.

A good example, was their faith misplaced? Because it turns out he was probably right!
And their are also examples the other way just so we dont be too negative...
 

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According to my calculations (drawn from the same place as Taxpayers Alliance), HS2 will attract 510k extra journeys a year paying a premium of £47 per journey which means that it will take 1668 years to pay back the £40bn construction costs. Therefore it's uneconomical and the money should be spent to BUILD MOAR ROADS!

One would expect no less from the TA which as other posters have said are a Thatcherite pressure group and thus likely to be opposed to most rail projects on principle.
 

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It's amazing how the WCML decision seems to convince everyone that whatever their personal belief is is even more right :lol:

You just knew that every petty little interest group was going to use the WCML decision to justify whatever they were banging on about beforehand

Predictions? Estimates? It's all guessing. Ultimately the decision to build HS2 is based on faith in guesswork.

Just like everything in this world
 

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I'd be sceptical of anything the TaxPayers Alliance says given that they're hardly a partisan group - most of their advisers are Austrian school economists and Thatcherites. Like any pressure group they show statistics which fit their agenda.

To the best of my knowledge the TaxPayers alliance has, in the past, been notoriously opaque as to where their funding comes from.

OMG
that's completely destroyed my faith in them.:shock:
 

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According to my calculations (drawn from the same place as Taxpayers Alliance), HS2 will attract 510k extra journeys a year paying a premium of £47 per journey which means that it will take 1668 years to pay back the £40bn construction costs. Therefore it's uneconomical and the money should be spent to BUILD MOAR ROADS!

And we're supposed to trust your calculations?:|
 

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Taxdodgers Alliance would be a more accurate name for them. They're just a bunch of rich Tory voters who want to pay zero tax if they think they can get away with it.
Just rich, tax-dodging Tory voters? Shame, otherwise Sir Beardie could have joined them.
 

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Taxdodgers Alliance would be a more accurate name for them. They're just a bunch of rich Tory voters who want to pay zero tax if they think they can get away with it.

And to quote the west wing, like all good thatcherite neo-liberal types "they want to shrink the government into a room the size of a closet"

Until of course the glorious free market goes into a tailspin and needs rescuing by said government.
 

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From a press release released this afternoon by the Taxpayers' Alliance

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin is facing a new raft of questions today as to whether his department's case for High Speed Rail 2 (HS2) stacks up, in the wake of the West Coast Main Line (WCML) franchise fiasco.

Fundamental errors in calculations by Department for Transport officials caused the recently-appointed Secretary of State yesterday to abandon the award of the WCML franchise to FirstGroup. Concerns have now been renewed that the Government is proceeding with the HS2 project on the back of similarly-flawed assumptions and calculations.

Matthew Sinclair, Chief Executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, has today written to Mr McLoughlin outlining the questions that the Department for Transport must answer in order to prove that the cost benefit analysis for HS2 has been rigorous, robust and based on the most up-to-date information.

Mr Sinclair said: "The serious errors made over the West Coast rail franchise have cost the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds and the whole process is now rightly going to have to start from scratch. So when the Government is intent on spending £32 billion of our money on a project like HS2, we need to be absolutely certain that the go-ahead is not given on the back of similarly flawed calculations, assumptions and projections.

"Yet there are serious questions about the basis on which the Government is proceeding with HS2. Why has the Department for Transport assumed that no business traveller does work on a train? And why is an outdated forecasting model being used to project demand?

"Unless ministers can give credible answers to these and a number of other questions I have posed, taxpayers will have every right to remain anxious that their money is being squandered on a white elephant."​

The full text of the letter to Mr McLoughlin is as follows

Dear Secretary of State,

We were naturally alarmed to learn yesterday of how serious errors by civil servants in your department caused you to abandon the award of a new franchise on the West Coast Main Line (WCML), at a cost of tens of millions of pounds to the taxpayer.

The news has only served to reinforce the concerns that the TaxPayers’ Alliance has long held about the calculations and assumptions behind the case for HS2, a project for which you are set to invoice UK taxpayers at least £32 billion.

We believe that in the wake of the WCML fiasco, you should now be demanding a wholesale re-evaluation of the calculations made by your department with respect to HS2.

Over the last two years, the TaxPayers’ Alliance has published a number of pieces of research questioning those calculations, namely:

• High Speed Rail (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/highspeedrail.pdf)
• HS2 Capacity Analysis (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/hs2capacity.pdf)
• The hidden costs of HS2 (http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/hs2hiddencosts.pdf)

Your Permanent Secretary recently told the Transport Select Committee that the latest HS2 business case, published in August 2012, “uses the most up-to-date information”, yet there is clear evidence to the contrary.

To summarise, the specific questions which we would put to you, and which we believe you should be putting to your officials, are the following:

• Why do you ignore the extensive research that concludes that business travellers do work on trains, whilst also using out-of-date data (eleven years old, no less) and incorrect assumptions on the value of time? Indeed, your department misled the Public Accounts Committee on the value of time, during evidence on 18th April 2012, stating that the £70k per annum was not an earnings figure. This has now been identified as incorrect following receipt of further information through a Freedom of Information request. Value of time benefits provide 55% of the total HS2 benefits and using the correct value of time will significantly reduce these.

• Why are you still using an outdated forecasting model (Passenger Demand Forecasting handbook v4.1) rather than the updated model (PDFH v 5.0)? The old model significantly overstated forecast growth of long distance trips and thus the growth in demand for HS2.

• Why do you not include fare competition to or premium pricing for HS2, even though premium prices are charged for HS1? This issue has been raised by the Public Accounts Committee: price competition is an important part of delivering value for money for passengers on the railways and can have a significant impact. For example, Chiltern Railways has increased its revenue between London and the West Midlands by 45% since the completion of Evergreen3 last year, due to improved services and their fares being lower than the WCML; many of these additional passengers will have transferred from the WCML.

• Why do you exclude the recent High Level Output Statement (HLOS) and InterCity Express Project (IEP) announcements from the base case against which HS2 is assessed? These investments will increase capacity and reduce journey times, particularly on the Midland and the East Coast Main Lines, which will have the effect of significantly reducing the benefits of HS2.

• Why do you exclude the direct services to HS1, committed to by your predecessor in the decision on HS2 at the beginning of this year? Inclusion of these services will reduce the number of HS2 services from Euston to the destinations on the HS2 route and thus reduce HS2’s revenue (as well as resulting in some cities almost certainly not getting the high speed services to London which they have been promised). Furthermore, the economics of the HS1 services will be dreadful, significantly further worsening the overall HS2 business case.

• Why do you apply a 41% optimism bias (OB) to the operating cost savings? This dramatically increases the supposed benefits of HS2, when its purpose is to allow for underestimations in costs. Your department says it has applied optimism bias to the operating cost savings as there are no rules in the OB guidance on savings. This is entirely contrary to the purpose and intention of OB.

I trust that you would agree that delivering taxpayer value for money is of paramount importance for all government departments. It is absolutely essential that decisions can be made about the potential value of HS2 based on accurate, reliable and evidence-based calculations and projections, so I very much hope that you and your colleagues will take on board these concerns with the seriousness which I believe they merit.

Given the public interest in these matters, I am releasing this letter to the media.

Yours sincerely,

Matthew Sinclair​

I should add that I have no connection with the Taxpayers Alliance or DfT but merely convey this item of news for information only. Don't shoot the messenger!

I am convinced that HS2 is needed. I trust that if and when the DfT answers the above questions this will be proved. If not, congestion will get worse.
 

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A comparison to the numerical forward projection motorway usage figures by those who rather professorial types in the Department of Transport in the 1980's would tend to prove the point that you make in your quote above.

And a comparison to the numerical forward projections re the Channel Tunnel would suggest the opposite!
 

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And a comparison to the numerical forward projections re the Channel Tunnel would suggest the opposite!
The budget airlines were an unexpected complication though. There isn't anything likely to be competing much with rail in the future and with the real possibility of a significant decline in car travel, a large modal shift to rail is almost inevitable.
 
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