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Thought it would be an idea to have a Yorkshire Tiger thread, as we seem to have quite a few West Yorkshire based contributors to this section of the forum.

In recent months, the K-Line/Tiger Blue sub-brand based at Honley seems to have fallen out of favour, with vehicles slowly but surely switching to the standard orange livery. Additionally there has been a slight increase in former or current Honley buses working traditionally Waterloo routes.

Last week, the 80-84 group of services had their most radical re-working since Stagecoach took over Yorkshire Traction, as detailed on the WYITA website: http://www.wymetro.com/uploadedFiles/WYMetro/Content/travelnews/ServiceChanges/Service-changes.pdf

80 Huddersfield • Kirkburton • Skelmanthorpe • Clayton West

This service will be withdrawn.

81/81A Huddersfield • Kirkburton • Skelmanthorpe • Scissett • Clayton West

Service 81 is revised to omit Highburton and continue to the Sovereign
Inn and Upper Denby once per hour (replacing service 83). Service 81A
will operate on Saturday mornings and Sundays via Highburton.

82 Huddersfield • Kirkburton • Skelmanthorpe • Denby Dale

Service 82 will be revised to also serve Highburton (replacing service 81).

83/83A/84/84A/83X Huddersfield • Shepley • Denby Dale

Service 83A, 84 and 84A will be withdrawn and replaced by a revised
83 which will operate from Huddersfield via Lepton, Highburton,
Shepley, Upper Cumberworth to Denby Dale. This service will operate
hourly Monday – Saturday daytime. Due to access issues the service will
no longer serve Station Road in Shepley.
There will also be one 83X journey in the morning which will provide
a quicker journey for passengers travelling into Huddersfield. This will
start at Gilthwaites at 0709 and arrive in Huddersfield at 0755.

85/85A Huddersfield • Lepton/Waterloo

This new service will replace service 241, with 85A journeys extending
to Houses Hill. Timings will change. This service will also call at
Morrison’s Supermarket.
Service 85 will operate a one way loop in Lepton via Rowley Lane,
Highgate Lane and Station Road.

A big plus with these changes is the withdrawal of the 80, which for anyone beyond Lepton was the bus to avoid, as it was almost always quicker to wait 20 minutes for the following 82. As a result, the 80 was often loaded to levels that a Renault Espace could cope with despite being operated by full-size buses, even deckers, in order to cope with the schoolkids and the workers at Capita in Lepton for a handful of busy runs. Lepton now has a dedicated daytime service meaning those from Skelmanthorpe and Kirkburton don't have one of their 3 buses per hour rendered useless. That there are now two direct services per hour rather than one is a huge positive for Skelmanthorpe, though as the fastest and next-fastest have effectively switched numbers may well confuse people! Though the .pdf doesn't make it clear, the 81 now runs two per hour during the day, spread at 20/40 minutes apart with the 82 running in the other 20.
 
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The old service 80 was quite busy. The people of Shepley loose out as there now hourly bus service takes a convoluted route via Kirkburton, Highburton & Lepton, not exactly an encouragement to increase passengers numbers on a service that needs more passengers.
 

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The old service 80 was quite busy. The people of Shepley loose out as there now hourly bus service takes a convoluted route via Kirkburton, Highburton & Lepton, not exactly an encouragement to increase passengers numbers on a service that needs more passengers.

Shepley has trains though, unlike Skelmanthorpe and Scissett/Clayton West. That's one of the reasons there hadn't been an evening or Sunday service on routes 83/84 for many years.
 

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The timetable looks a bit of a mess as it doesn't state what time the bus is from Upper Denby to Huddersfield.
 

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The timetable looks a bit of a mess as it doesn't state what time the bus is from Upper Denby to Huddersfield.

It's a one way loop. That routing is quite bizzare though, passing through Scissett twice in each direction. Upper Denby now gets an hourly very long winded bus rather than an infrequent quicker bus.
 

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Does anyone know why the LED destination indicators have been changing styles so frequently of late? Why they don't just redo them into the new Arriva Yorks style and be done with it I don't know, but it'd make sense considering that they're Arriva Yorks' low cost offshoot
 

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Does anyone know why the LED destination indicators have been changing styles so frequently of late? Why they don't just redo them into the new Arriva Yorks style and be done with it I don't know, but it'd make sense considering that they're Arriva Yorks' low cost offshoot

Even though their ownership is widely known among those who care about such things, the average Jo(e) on the street probably won't know. Arriva and YT management don't seem to be hiding this (ticket acceptance during recent strikes) but at the same time they're not exactly shouting it from the rooftops either: No Deutsche Bundesbahn logos appearing at Waterloo depot any time soon!
 

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Even though their ownership is widely known among those who care about such things, the average Jo(e) on the street probably won't know. Arriva and YT management don't seem to be hiding this (ticket acceptance during recent strikes) but at the same time they're not exactly shouting it from the rooftops either: No Deutsche Bundesbahn logos appearing at Waterloo depot any time soon!

It's rather more obvious in Halifax where there's usually at least one bus in Arriva colours on Tiger services.
 

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It's rather more obvious in Halifax where there's usually at least one bus in Arriva colours on Tiger services.

That's true, it's been a while since I've seen an Arriva liveried bus on a Tiger route in Huddersfield (K-Line more likely over there)... In fact, I did see a de-branded Tiger orange bus running an Arriva Yorks route (268, so a "MAX" route, too!) in Heckmondwike the other week!
 

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I just wish Tiger would get all their vehicles in their livery consistently. The number of times in Halifax that their services use vehicles in Arriva or K-Line livery (and usually looking faded and tired) is striking. It was underdtandable after the fire a couple of years ago, but they seem to have stuck in lazy habits from that point on. How are customers, especially the less regular ones, meant to know what is a Yorkshire Tigher service and what isn't?
 

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Any bus on Yorkshire Tiger routes seen in Arriva Livery is as a result of YT taking Arriva cast off's and they have be reliveried. The problem comes if a passenger has an Arriva only ticket and tries to board a YT bus still in Arriva livery - tough look not valid.
 

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YT is also showing a lack of attention to detail. Several times in Halifax I've seen a bus with an electtonic destination display, stating 'via Pellan Lane' when it should be 'Pellon Lane'. Given it's an electronic display it shouldn't be difficult to fix.
 

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YT is also showing a lack of attention to detail. Several times in Halifax I've seen a bus with an electtonic destination display, stating 'via Pellan Lane' when it should be 'Pellon Lane'. Given it's an electronic display it shouldn't be difficult to fix.

Not only YT that do that sort of thing... First Huddersfield have for years had their 370 service with "Lindley via Moorhill " on the boards. There is no such place as Moorhill, just a Moor Hill Road linking the areas of Salendine Nook and Lindley. Back in the day, the route was advertised as being for Moor Hill Road.

It does seem that after decades of being the "ginger stepchild" of whoever was operating the business, Waterloo is now no longer the place to send all the "problem" vehicles!
 

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Not only YT that do that sort of thing... First Huddersfield have for years had their 370 service with "Lindley via Moorhill " on the boards. There is no such place as Moorhill, just a Moor Hill Road linking the areas of Salendine Nook and Lindley. Back in the day, the route was advertised as being for Moor Hill Road
The reprogrammed '360' had 'Birkby' spelt very wrong indeed, it was 'Birbly' I think; they've corrected it now.
Especially on the Mobitec units, they've started doing them with some non-capitalised place names, particularly the last via point! There was absolutely nothing wrong with the text styles they settled on for so long (top line in a large font, bottom line in a narrow, non-bold font), and they really dont need to change the text style every few weeks!
 

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The reorganisation of the "80s" as they're now branded has not been without issues. Whereas the old timetable was reasonably accurate, it now seems to be a case of turning up at the stop and crossing one's fingers! Earlier today I went for the 82 from Skelmanthorpe (due on the hour, ish!) which turned up near-enough on time but with the previous 81 hot on its heels running 20mins late!
 

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Another update to the situation on the group of services to the HD8 areas: the timetable still seems like an aspiration rather than anything that can be relied on, though in part that's down the the roadworks at Moldgreen at the moment. Doesn't help that the printed timetable at the stop I use in Skelmanthorpe was replaced 2 days after the changes, but with one from before those changes :roll:, despite me reporting it to Metro at least thrice, it hasn't been updated!

Perhaps it's because the local wee darlings have a habit of setting them on fire, though strangely the useless out of date one is still unscathed...

Another minor issue is that the 82s seem to cross, without fail, at the most awkward places such as in Kirkburton village or Highburton- not much can be done about that without making the timetable less balanced, which would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Loadings on all of the services which run via the B6116 seem to have picked up since the changes in spite of these teething problems, so that has to be 'A Good Thing'.

Waterloo's fleet seems to have been given a bit of TLC and some nicer vehicles, including some rather nice (!) Streetlites (EDIT: they're apparently Tempos, not Streetlites:oops:) branded up for "The 80s". Still have the rattly and underpowered Centros, but apparently they're easy to work with so that probably explains that. Deckers more common on the 82 now.
 
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Wouldn't have thought you'd see double decks on the 81 at all now, as isn't there a low bridge on the Upper Denby extension? Therefore the only chance you've got is the self contained 82.
 

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Wouldn't have thought you'd see double decks on the 81 at all now, as isn't there a low bridge on the Upper Denby extension? Therefore the only chance you've got is the self contained 82.

I'm not sure of the routing of the Upper Denby section, so that could well be the case. It does strike me as odd that the numbering of the non-standard journeys is so inconsistent: for example on Sundays, all the 81s run as 81A as they serve Highburton. However this wasn't done with the 82s on Sundays previously. Also, the 81s that extend to Upper Denby aren't lettered despite this being a significant difference. There is also an 81 which runs beyond Clayton West to Denby Dale Interchange, leaving Huddersfield at 1705.

One big plus is the inclusion of an extra journey on the 81 which starts from Skelmanthorpe after doing a school run. Nothing more frustrating than waiting for a bus and seeing loads of empty ones passing out of service!
 

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Waterloo's fleet seems to have been given a bit of TLC and some nicer vehicles, including some rather nice (!) Streetlites branded up for "The 80s". Still have the rattly and underpowered Centros, but apparently they're easy to work with so that probably explains that. Deckers more common on the 82 now.
They're not Streetlites they're Tempos
 

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They're not Streetlites they're Tempos

Thanks! I'm never sure with buses as sometimes identical looking buses aren't, and very different looking ones are! I guess it's the same as someone who isn't a massive train geek thinking that 155s and 158s look pretty much the same. They're Optare and Streetlite was the only model name I could think of besides Solo... and even I could tell they weren't Solos!
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K-Line are officially known as Tiger Blue now (a subsidiary of Yorkshire Tiger, who are a subsidiary of Arriva Bus, who are a subsidiary of Arriva, who are a subsidiary of DB!)
 

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K-Line are officially known as Tiger Blue now (a subsidiary of Yorkshire Tiger, who are a subsidiary of Arriva Bus, who are a subsidiary of Arriva, who are a subsidiary of DB!)

Centrebus/Calder Cubs/K-line/Huddersfield Bus Company/Yorkshire Tiger/Tiger Blue/Arriva can choose to call themselves whatever they wish, but First stopped running the 343 in 2010, along with a dozen other services in the area.
 

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K-Line are officially known as Tiger Blue now (a subsidiary of Yorkshire Tiger, who are a subsidiary of Arriva Bus, who are a subsidiary of Arriva, who are a subsidiary of DB!)
Centrebus/Calder Cubs/K-line/Huddersfield Bus Company/Yorkshire Tiger/Tiger Blue/Arriva can choose to call themselves whatever they wish, but First stopped running the 343 in 2010, along with a dozen other services in the area.
Even Tiger Blue branding seems to be being phased out in favour of standard Yorkshire Tiger colours. The "Calder Cubs" branding is for minibus services operating predominantly from Elland depot, as the name suggests.
 

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Sigh, before I posted #57, I checked the WYMetro site and the current timetable (February 2017) refers to the 343 as a K-Line service, so I chose that. The 343 was referred to as a Calder Cubs service earlier in thread without comment and the Yorkshire Tiger website says:

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I have absolutely no idea of the livery of buses that would turn up on 343 at the moment, but tickets valid on First are not going to be accepted.
The X58 is still being labelled as a Calder Cubs service even though the Solo's have been removed from that route in favour of Yorkshire Tiger branded Versas.
 

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There is only actually one company, Yorkshire Tiger Limited, everything else is just a brand name.
 

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Sigh, before I posted #57, I checked the WYMetro site and the current timetable (February 2017) refers to the 343 as a K-Line service, so I chose that. The 343 was referred to as a Calder Cubs service earlier in thread without comment and the Yorkshire Tiger website says:

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I have absolutely no idea of the livery of buses that would turn up on 343 at the moment, but tickets valid on First are not going to be accepted.
Clicking on the bus stop sign on Google maps brings it up as 'Calder Cubs 343'. I'm never entirely sure of the accuracy of such Google information but it is, presumably, an automatic link from one of the traveline sites, or similar database.
 

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I assume that sort of thing was user generated somewhere, like Wikipedia, as many of the services on google maps feature services that are purely a brand name or special livery and wouldn't appear on Traveline.

Nothing produced by Traveline or Metro would ever refer to Calder Cubs.
 
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