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XC ASLEF industrial action.

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Whilst there are some good managers within XC, certainly at local and regional level, the culture at the top seems to be very abrasive; directors even trying to ignore/abrogate agreements and conditions with "I wasn't there when that was signed." (That's, frankly, chilling; if employers can get away with it then NOBODY'S conditions of employment are safe).

As the DfT are now the paymasters of the former franchises, surely they need to step in and get a grip? Taking into account the previous few years, all-out strikes at DfT financed TOCs could end up looking very bad for the current government.

Be under no illusions, this dispute has the potential to get EXTREMELY TOXIC.

And I think most XC Drivers share the same view. The Local and Regional management are mostly very good, the issues lie a lot further up the greasy pole.

Your comments regarding abrogating and ignoring agreements are exactly what I was alluding to when referring to perhaps unfinished business from the last dispute and trying it on TOC by TOC rather than ASLEF collectively, unless of course this is more their management style and the DfT is unaware of what is happening, which does seem unlikely considering they have to account for every paper clip these days.
 
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Whilst there are some good managers within XC, certainly at local and regional level, the culture at the top seems to be very abrasive; directors even trying to ignore/abrogate agreements and conditions with "I wasn't there when that was signed." (That's, frankly, chilling; if employers can get away with it then NOBODY'S conditions of employment are safe).

As the DfT are now the paymasters of the former franchises, surely they need to step in and get a grip? Taking into account the previous few years, all-out strikes at DfT financed TOCs could end up looking very bad for the current government.

Be under no illusions, this dispute has the potential to get EXTREMELY TOXIC.
I have my doubts that the DafT will do anything too drastic given SWR's leadership hasn't really changed at all since passing into public hands
 

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The "This is Money" website posting on 29/1/22 may be of interest.
By ALEX LAWSON, FINANCIAL MAIL ON SUNDAY

Updated: 21:50, 29 January 2022

A trio of senior bosses have left Royal Mail as the postal giant battles to recover from a catastrophic festive period.

Chief operating officer Achim Duennwald and service delivery directors Jane Simpson and Shiona Rolfe have departed, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

It is understood Duennwald will be replaced while Simpson and Rolfe's roles are being stripped out.

Duennwald, a former executive at rival DHL and consultants McKinsey, was appointed by former boss Rico Back – and was criticised for running the firm from his home nation Germany during the 2020 lockdown.

Chief executive Simon Thompson is trying to stabilise Royal Mail operations after a tumultuous Christmas when the Omicron surge caused significant delays to deliveries.

Royal Mail last week cut 700 managerial jobs two months after handing £400million to shareholders.

The cuts will save £40million but involve a one-off £70million charge, forcing it to lower profit estimates.

 
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This is Money. Part of the Daily Mail. I'm sure it will be a nuanced and impartial piece. No doubt dredging up tales of medicals for using microwave ovens, endless PNBs as they have to be restarted if a manager speaks to you (even if just saying hello in passing) and many many other "Spanish Practices"...
 

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This is Money. Part of the Daily Mail. I'm sure it will be a nuanced and impartial piece. No doubt dredging up tales of medicals for using microwave ovens, endless PNBs as they have to be restarted if a manager speaks to you (even if just saying hello in passing) and many many other "Spanish Practices"...
I went through years back to 2021 but nothing.
 

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The new MD’s history is Amazon and Post Office; and she’s had the audacity to bring her ‘Head of Industrial Relations’ with her! :lol:
Ahh the Post Office…

Now there’s a company who know how to look after their biggest asset, their people.
 

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Anyone from Amazon might not be familiar with the concept of a unionised workforce either.
 

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But not listening it would seem
The ASLEF Full Time Officer and the Drivers Company Council would like to thank the membership for their

continuing support.

The company have still not formally approached ASLEF to discuss the issues with an aim to resolve the dispute.

Extract from circular received 28/08
 

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Anyone from Amazon might not be familiar with the concept of a unionised workforce either.
Yes, please let’s not drag employment practices back to the dark ages like Amazon. Nightmare scenario of Post Office plus Amazon management skills.
 

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As the DfT are now the paymasters of the former franchises, surely they need to step in and get a grip? Taking into account the previous few years, all-out strikes at DfT financed TOCs could end up looking very bad for the current government.
Depends upon the extent to which DfT are the organ grinders and the TOC senior bosses are the monkeys?
 

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Anyone from Amazon might not be familiar with the concept of a unionised workforce either.
Especially since you need a certain proportion of the workforce to want to have a union. Bolstering that workforce temporarily - "There's more people here than on the run up to Christmas," which was done at a certain Amazon warehouse to scupper the union's chances of being able to be officially recognised, was just one of the underhanded tactics used.
 

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Especially since you need a certain proportion of the workforce to want to have a union. Bolstering that workforce temporarily - "There's more people here than on the run up to Christmas," which was done at a certain Amazon warehouse to scupper the union's chances of being able to be officially recognised, was just one of the underhanded tactics used.
Ooo that might be a quick way of XC actually bothering to fill some gaps in their train manager roles. 8-)

Poor TM earlier was run ragged trying to turf everyone out of a Voyager nobody had bothered to tell her had no TM until after departure time! Half of required staff available = half train locked once again.

I feel for the staff working for this shambles.
 

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Depends upon the extent to which DfT are the organ grinders and the TOC senior bosses are the monkeys?
Are DfT not currently in the process of what appears to be swiftly making very sensible, largely ‘strings-free’ pay deal offers across the TOCs for the current year? Seems an odd thing to be doing if they were out to cause industrial relations dramas, no?
 

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Ahh the Post Office…

Now there’s a company who know how to look after their biggest asset, their people.
Just to point out that the Post Office (the state owned company that operates the counters side of the business and whete the Horizon issue happened) is a completely separate organisation to Royal Mail (the privatised company that sorts and delivers mail).
 

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I think we’re starting to drift a bit here, so we’re going to put a pause on this for the time being. When there’s further news please report this post and let us know what the update is.

Thanks everyone
 

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We've been informed by a couple of informed sources that the action by ASLEF has seemingly been suspended. No additional detail available at the moment so we'll leave the thread locked. If anyone becomes aware of more information please do report this post to let us know and we can look at reopening the thread.
 

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A further update from an informed source is that ASLEF head office emailed CrossCountry members at 1545 on Wednesday, this was followed up by a confirmation email from the CrossCountry Drivers Company Council shortly afterwards. A satisfactory response to the issues concerned has been received from the company and therefore all the industrial action has been suspended. This is, however, subject to the strict adherence to all agreements by the company. The ballot result is still live and the union reserves the right to reinstate action should it be felt necessary.
 

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Seems as though the planned IA has been suspended, this forum was the only source I could find info re the suspension, seems very odd as when it was announced there was a lot of press coverage. Cross Country have amended their website today to say “there is currently no planned industrial action.”
Glad it has been suspended as I am using XC next week, let’s hope the dispute has been resolved permanently, and XC stick to their side of the bargain.
 

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Seems as though the planned IA has been suspended, this forum was the only source I could find info re the suspension, seems very odd as when it was announced there was a lot of press coverage. Cross Country have amended their website today to say “there is currently no planned industrial action.”
Glad it has been suspended as I am using XC next week, let’s hope the dispute has been resolved permanently, and XC stick to their side of the bargain.
Whilst I'm not entirely surprised it's not covered by the print media, after all the "railway workers on strike again" narrative suits them far more than "railway union settles dispute" I am surprised that the BBC/ITV hasn't picked up on it.
Totally at a loss why XC haven't made the news public yet, ASLEF too TBH.
 

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Not really sure what more XC can say above the 'There is currently no planned industrial action' which has now appeared on the website as stated above. Really hoping they get round the table and talk this time because the way they have been handling things with what I've been reading on here is totally unacceptable. I take heart from the fact that the action has been suspended and ASLEF must have heard something different from what has been put out previously as surely they wouldn't be falling for more guff.
 

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I strongly suspect the DfT have become heavily involved and are also mandating what XC can say publicly.
 

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They've put a travel update on the website this afternoon explicitly stating ASLEF strike action has been suspended:
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Nothing else on their social media accounts as of yet.

Related query, does anyone have an idea whether any headway has been made in RMT's own dispute against XC? As far as I'm aware the refusal to scan e-tickets is still in effect.
 

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I am surprised that the BBC/ITV hasn't picked up on it.
I'm not sadly the coverage of news related to the UK is been very poor since the latest round of cuts and savings at the BBC they tend to focus on Donald Trump, Ukraine, The Middle East and other world news rather than what is going on at home.
 

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I'm not sadly the coverage of news related to the UK is been very poor since the latest round of cuts and savings at the BBC they tend to focus on Donald Trump, Ukraine, The Middle East and other world news rather than what is going on at home.

Oh I don't know about that; they seem to have their finger on the pulse about all the pressing issues in England at the moment:


Passengers shell-shocked after crab pinches seat​

A crab on a train seat.
Image source,Mark Walsh
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The crab was named Craig by the driver of the train
ByJoshua Askew
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    • Published
      19 September 2025, 10:45 BST
Passengers on a train have been left shell-shocked after a crab snapped up a seat.
The claw-ver commuter - later named Craig - was found on Wednesday evening on a South Western Railway service from London to Portsmouth, with fellow passengers joking it had come down for a night out from the Big Smoke.
Train driver Mark Walsh said he thought a colleague was "winding him up" when they told him a crab was sitting in first class.
But he told the BBC when the express service reached its final stop "sure enough" he found the crustacean "chilling" on a seat.

'International rescue'​

Mr Walsh said he initially wondered "how the hell" it had claw-ed its way on the train or if anyone had even noticed the stowaway, though one passenger told him it had been sitting there since she got on at Guildford.
"Some people were quite concerned because I was walking around the station with a crab in my hand, but most people didn't bat an eyelid," Mr Walsh said.
"They must have just thought another day in Pompey."
He added passengers jokingly pointed out the "shellfish" crab had its feet on the seat, while others called out the crabby commuter for fare dodging.

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02:58
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Train driver Mark Walsh had 15 minutes to try and save the crab
Mr Walsh, who described himself as a "dabhand at handling crabs" after taking his kids crabbing on their holidays, said he gave the creature "a little stroke" and could see it was still moving.
But he added it did not look very well.
"Obviously he was very exhausted from his journey," Mr Walsh told the BBC.
He said he was "very limited" on what he could do as it was very busy and he had to drive a train back to London in 15 minutes.
"I could not delay the train indefinitely while I played international rescue for a crab," Mr Walsh joked.
He told the BBC he made it as comfortable as he could in a nearby park with a pond.
"I don't know if it fell out of a fisherman's bag or it could be some young people having a laugh, but what I can't understand is that it came from London."

(With apologies to the mods and thread contributors for the off-topic post :lol: .)
 

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Whilst I'm not entirely surprised it's not covered by the print media, after all the "railway workers on strike again" narrative suits them far more than "railway union settles dispute" I am surprised that the BBC/ITV hasn't picked up on it
"Company averts strike action, by upholding staff rights, and agreed terms and conditions" doesn't have the same 'zing' to it, when you want to paint Unions in a bad light.
 
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