Wrong Direction Moves

[Llanigraham]

Speaking as a driver, I wouldn't actually know the difference in those two either.
Nor would it make a difference to know as long as I understand the move that is to take place

Know your place, driver!!
We siggies is the Boss!! :

Although 3 and 5 do sound similar, the difference is the way we signallers have to deal with them. As long as the driver has a clear understanding of what they are being told to do, and do it, there is no problem.

 

[delticdave]

can we run a monthly competion for the most jargon laden and incomprehensible post?

It's usually station codes that attract our attention, but i think the op in this thread is a dead cert for september's prize. [emoji38]

+1...

 

[delticdave]

47271's post was intended to be humorous. Cheeky maybe, but not disrespectful. Unless you're suffering a bit of a sense of humour failure in life generally. The LOL was a clue by the way.

Those of you who are involved the operational railway might have missed some threads on here where certain types of enthusiasts enjoy bandying around half baked understandings of station codes, headcodes, and more codes. To me, as a mere day to day passenger who doesn't get excited by that sort of thing, the OP read like a send up of that type of alphabet soup of a post.

Anyway, humour that has to be explained has clearly failed. LOL guys.

+ 1 again.......

Alphabet soup postings can be found in too many railfan newsgroups but, IMVHO, they spoil the whole concept.

DC

 

[signallerscot]

It's a shame there isn't a forum specifically for staff to discuss matters of interest to them away from the complaints of enthusiasts. Well I suppose there is Railchat but it has been dying for years.

 

[TheEdge]

It's a shame there isn't a forum specifically for staff to discuss matters of interest to them away from the complaints of enthusiasts. Well I suppose there is Railchat but it has been dying for years.

I would like to see that, there are a few Facebook groups but they are mostly for moaning and pee taking.

We could either beg/ask very nicely for a private board on here, or I suppose start one up.

 

[axlecounter]

I would like to see that, there are a few Facebook groups but they are mostly for moaning and pee taking.

We could either beg/ask very nicely for a private board on here, or I suppose start one up.

I'd love that, but could have a few downsides: how do you verifiy who's staff and who isn't? And: what would be allowed in it? Or to put it in another way: it would need some very good and careful moderation...

 

[ComUtoR]

I'd love that, but could have a few downsides: how do you verifiy who's staff and who isn't? And: what would be allowed in it? Or to put it in another way: it would need some very good and careful moderation...

I don't think its important to 'verify' as many of us are well known to each other. It would also be a place where public access is restricted and where acronyms and shop talk is less moderated. I have various things I'd love to discuss across my industry but I won't due to social media constraints. Just as the fares forum is very limited to fares discussion I think a staff/industry talk sub section could be beneficial if it was less restrictive and we could talk to each other without fear of moderation or indeed can speak to each other in a language we understand and regularly talk in.

 

[Johncleesefan]

What's the harm in having an open discussion? We can all learn a little from from each other and sometimes someone from the outside can see a different view and especially how ridiculous railway jargon is.

 

[Johncleesefan]

I have various things I'd love to discuss across my industry but I won't due to social media constraints.

This I do agree with actually. A closed conversation that isn't monitored as such

 

[TheEdge]

What's the harm in having an open discussion? We can all learn a little from from each other and sometimes someone from the outside can see a different view and especially how ridiculous railway jargon is.

Because its not ridiculous jargon when you know what it means, which most of us do.

TCOCs in an AB area are pointless but worthwhile in a TCB section but should be laid out as shown in M1 regardless during protection. Although in modern practice the GSM-R REC function makes even the use of SPTs unlikely, let alone TCOCs and full protection.

I'll admit that is a word soup effort but I'd like to hope any operational member of rail staff would understand that.

There is no harm in open discussion but the OP came to what is probably the largest single gathering of UK rail staff to ask a technical question. Within a few posts the argument was already starting about using rail jargon from spotters and other non industry types. That's not useful and to be able to chat away in jargon and not get bogged down having to translate it back into English would be nice.

But anyway, I must leave, the PICOP has given me RA

 

[najaB]

Within a few posts the argument was already starting about using rail jargon from spotters and other non industry types.

To be fair, it was reply #9 before anyone made a comment on the jargon by which time the question had already had at least two effective answers. And I took the post as more cheeky than argumentative.

 

[signallerscot]

sometimes someone from the outside can see a different view and especially how ridiculous railway jargon is.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. I would like to be able to discuss work stuff with professional colleagues without being questioned about what X, Y and Z means, and "that doesn't seem right to me because as an enthusiast I've never seen it happen that way" etc.. etc.. etc..

 

[ComUtoR]

But anyway, I must leave, the PICOP has given me RA

Don't you mean the PICOD ? I've never known a PICOP to give an RA in a T3, Unless you mean the other PICOP then I totally understand However, The PICOP, as per your perspective wouldn't really give me the RA, surely they are overlooking the PTI and the PICOD is giving the RA or the White Bat ?

 

[Johncleesefan]

Ok but it is waffle. Il defend that. Acronyms for every single word. Yes we are trained to understand it all and yes it shortens everything but it is like a second language

 

[axlecounter]

So, where is it this staff-only section?

 

[High Dyke]

OK, I won't ask questions in the future, I'll just assume instead.

See, we're taught not to think like that. It doesn't take long to make an Ass-of-U-and-Me.

It isn't about lack of knowledge or understanding, especially for the lay(wo)man. It's the training that goes into applying the rules when needed. Don't be afraid to ask questions. Personally there still so much in the rule books that is either ambiguous or confusing - and that's just for those that practice the dark arts of signalling.

 

[tsr]

So, where is it this staff-only section?

In a TP hut.

 

[XDM]

I don't think its important to 'verify' as many of us are well known to each other. It would also be a place where public access is restricted and where acronyms and shop talk is less moderated. I have various things I'd love to discuss across my industry but I won't due to social media constraints. Just as the fares forum is very limited to fares discussion I think a staff/industry talk sub section could be beneficial if it was less restrictive and we could talk to each other without fear of moderation or indeed can speak to each other in a language we understand and regularly talk in.

If you are a train driver you will know there are two places, & maybe more, where drivers can talk openly & frankly & rudely & in the knowledge they are talking to their peers only. I have seen a very critical post of myself & another UK Rail forum pro DOO member on one of these private sites. ( & some guarded praise of my uk rail forum postings for telling the truth & being realistic)

 

[LAX54]

najaB...

Encouraging wider understanding to what extent?

TW7, TS2 and TS3 are rulebook modules and I'm sure most of us on here do not want to get into explaining that in detail.

As for AB, TCB and WDM. Here you go...

AB... Absolute Block.
TCB... track Circuit Block.
WDM... Wrong Direction Move.

Please appreciate that the OP as GB stated was asking a question that was aimed predominantly at other railway staff, as we would be most likely to know the answer hence the use of railway jargon.
I actually thought 47271's reply was pretty disrespectful and rude to be honest.

Unless we have a staff only sub forum this is going to happen from time to time.

Yes have to agree with this, there was nothing in the original post that those who had an interest in the Railway would not know already, unlike station 'codes' that even after 40 years on the Railway most of those quoted on here are double dutch to me !
Yes Railway Rules can be complicated, and there is not always someone at hand at work to ask the question to, but on here there will always be someone who has a good idea of an answer from within the industry.

 

[rebmcr]

OK, I won't ask questions in the future, I'll just assume instead.

See, we're taught not to think like that. It doesn't take long to make an Ass-of-U-and-Me.

Yes, I was being sarcastic to highlight signallerscot's poor attitude, and its bad effect on interaction.

 

[signallerscot]

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