Wrong date of birth

[SU21]

This makes things much simpler. Your previous purchase history is practically irrelevant in this case, it's most likely that they will look only at this one incident, as it is far more difficult for them to build a picture of your purchase/travel history.

Somebody else may be better able to provide advice on how your friend should respond to the letter from Southeastern, when it arrives.

I've never used a Southeastern ticket machine, but I am slightly dubious about the ability to "accidentally" select a railcard discount. Your concern about how they may (or may not) be able to track/search your previous ticket purchases also makes me slightly suspicious. Other members will find it far easier to provide you with accurate advice if you are totally honest with the information you share. Apologies if you are being honest, I don't mean to offend.

I am not concerned about previous purchases. I am only concerned for this particular event. As I paid for her on machine. Will that involve me in any matter? That it.

 

[Lewisham2221]

I am not concerned about previous purchases. I am only concerned for this particular event. As I paid for her on machine. Will that involve me in any matter? That it.

Highly unlikely.

 

[30907]

Highly unlikely.

Yes. But as you have landed your friend in trouble, you might feel morally obliged to help them out of it.

 

[SU21]

Yes. But as you have landed your friend in trouble, you might feel morally obliged to help them out of it.

I am dear. Dont worry

 

[Fermiboson]

I have a slight correction for the OP upon further careful reading of the relevant legislation.

Railway Byelaws 21 states:

No person shall:

1. buy a ticket on behalf of another intending to enable another person to travel without having paid the correct fare
2. transfer or produce a ticket on behalf of another person intending to enable that other person to travel without having paid the correct fare

I don’t know whether OP’s actions here count as intent. In any case, the practical advice remains the same: the TOC is unlikely to care, and even more unlikely to find out, that you are the one who bought the tickets.

 

[SU21]

Hi all. My friend has got the letter stating to write down her details on paper and anything else in response to that letter. What should she write in order to request them to solve this matter out of court

 

[notmyrealname]

Hi.

Could you show us the letter, minus personal details and the reference number, please?

 

[SU21]

Hi.

Could you show us the letter, minus personal details and the reference number, please?

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Please tell me how and what to write.

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And also is it necessary to give NI number?

 

[Hadders]

I suggest a short, concise letter mentioning the following points:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the train Southeastern's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

If you post a copy of your draft reply in this thread forum members will proof read it for you.

 

[SU21]

Okay surely gonna post in 6 hours time.
Is it necessary to write

I suggest a short, concise letter mentioning the following points:

- That you are sorry for what has happened
- What you have learned from the incident
- That you are keen to settle the matter without the need for court action
- Offer to pay the outstanding fare and the train Southeastern's administrative costs in dealing with the matter

If you post a copy of your draft reply in this thread forum members will proof read it for you.

Surely gonna write in 6 hours time.
Is it necessary to give NI number?

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Okay surely gonna post in 6 hours time.
Is it necessary to write

Surely gonna write in 6 hours time.
Is it necessary to give NI number?

Can I reply to the email adress? And will the reply come on email adress or via letter?

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And what can be the possible outcomes of this letter? I mean what wlll they do next?

 

[Hadders]

You're not legally obliged to give them the NI number but if you want the best chance of keeping the matter out of court then you need to co-operate with them.

I can't be certain but I suspect that whether you reply by physical letter or email they will reply via physical letter.

 

[SU21]

You're not legally obliged to give them the NI number but if you want the best chance of keeping the matter out of court then you need to co-operate with them.

I can't be certain but I suspect that whether you reply by physical letter or email they will reply via physical letter.

What are they going to check with my NI number if you have any idea?

 

[notmyrealname]

Is it your NI number they're asking for? I thought it was your friend they'd written to.

 

[jp4712]

They usually ask for this as a way of helping to verify your identity. You seem overly bothered by this, is there any reason why this is so? Do you have a National Insurance number? If so, it’s no harm in telling them and they won’t use it to compare notes with the Department for Work and Pensions on what you’ve been up to. If there is some immigration issue that means you don’t have one then 1) no one here can advise you on any of that and 2) just decline to provide it. As has been said you want to be seen to be fully cooperative if you want to keep this out of court, but that’s up to you.

 

[Haywain]

Can I reply to the email adress?

What are they going to check with my NI number if you have any idea?

Why will you be replying if the letter has been sent to your friend? And if it has been sent to your friend they will not be wanting your NI number or doing anything with it. Or is it really you that the letter is addressed to because, if so, it will affect the advice that has been given?

 

[AlterEgo]

I don't think there's much point in getting hung up on whether or not the OP is writing on behalf of their friend of themselves; I always assume the latter anyway.

 

[SU21]

Guysssss. This letter is hers and they need her details. I was busy somewhere else so wrote my. Question is what are they gonna do with NI number?

 

[Wolfie]

Why will you be replying if the letter has been sent to your friend? And if it has been sent to your friend they will not be wanting your NI number or doing anything with it. Or is it really you that the letter is addressed to because, if so, it will affect the advice that has been given?

I might speculate that Sana's responses suggest that they are not a native English speaker and there is a distinct possibility that their friend is less skilled linguistically.

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Guysssss. This letter is hers and they need her details. I was busy somewhere else so wrote my. Question is what are they gonna do with NI number?

Mostly likely use it to confirm identity.

 

[SU21]

Should she mention about wrong year of birth she told to the ticket guy. Or just write correct date of birth and thats it

 

[Puffing Devil]

Complete the form honestly, with all the details correct. The NI Number will be used to confirm identity and possibly check if she has a history of fare evasion.

Then use the template that @Hadders has posted for a response and post it here. You'll get help with spelling and structure providing you put in some effort with the first draft.

 

[WesternLancer]

Presumably NI numbers help if cases go to court , guilty verdict , fine , and then offender fails to pay the fine and court need to enforce attachment of earnings order.

 

[SU21]

Guys my friends english is not really good. Please help and suggest if anything else needs to be added up.

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Final one

 

[AlterEgo]

In the opening post, you say you purchased the ticket for your friend because you felt guilty she had to go home.

In "your friend's email", your friend says they purchased the ticket and made an error.

Which is it?

If you want advice on whether or not to send something then you can't be asking people here to okay something which does not fit with the facts you have laid out. You should be truthful here, because if you aren't, the advice isn't going to be very helpful.

I don't think saying you accidentally added the railcard is going to be very productive - this is pretty much impossible to do by accident and there is a separate menu on the ticket machines to add it, and you need to press more than one button to select the railcard, especially if your explanation is that you did it in a hurry. So leave that out, nobody will believe that.

 

[SU21]

In the opening post, you say you purchased the ticket for your friend because you felt guilty she had to go home.

In "your friend's email", your friend says they purchased the ticket and made an error.

Which is it?

If you want advice on whether or not to send something then you can't be asking people here to okay something which does not fit with the facts you have laid out. You should be truthful here, because if you aren't, the advice isn't going to be very helpful.

I don't think saying you accidentally added the railcard is going to be very productive - this is pretty much impossible to do by accident and there is a separate menu on the ticket machines to add it, and you need to press more than one button to select the railcard, especially if your explanation is that you did it in a hurry. So leave that out, nobody will believe that.

My friend has written that out. Should she mention that I purchased it for her? And how Should she write that all in? Will she then be involving me as well?
How should she write it?

 

[WesternLancer]

Guys my friends english is not really good. Please help and suggest if anything else needs to be added up.

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Final one

If you paste it in text in the thread (as opposed to a screen grab) it's easier for people to make suggested edits for you to consider I suspect

 

[SU21]

That was the real incindent I shared with you guys. But as far as the ticket is concerned. I dont know really how to write it. She has written it. And obvio it was for reducing money. How should we write it then now? Does she need to write it in letter that I paid for her? Does that really matter who paid? Wont it be involving me then? Please help us how we write this all?
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Dear prosecution team,

On 29th October, 2024, I was travelling from Sevenoaks to Gillingham. My son was not feeling well and as the counter was busy I opted to take one way ticket from machine. In a hassle to reach home I quickly pressed the destination and I couldn't see I have pressed for the railcard as well. Upon asked in the train about the railcard I didn't have it. I am extremely sorry on what happened as part of my negligence.
I travel very less by the train and I had no idea how these railcards work. Upon equiry I got extremely terrified. When I came home I saw that the date and month of my birthday is fine but the year is wrong, I immediately called the customer service of trainline, they told me I had to wait for the letter to come. Now I am putting my correct year of birth and attaching a copy of my ID card and UK driving licence.
I am extremely sorry for this incident and I have learnt to be mindful and vigilant while travelling and double check the ticket before travelling. I am ready to cooperate in this matter and would request you to please consider settling this matter out of court. I am happily willing to pay the outstanding fare and the train Southeastern's administrative costs in dealing with the matter
I shall be grateful to you for this act of kindness

Kind regards

 

[notmyrealname]

Could you have a look at post #53 please? There seem to be some unresolved queries.

I agree with typing out the letter on the thread as text, it will be easier to follow and suggest edits to.

 

[SU21]

Could you have a look at post #53 please? There seem to be some unresolved queries.

I agree with typing out the letter on the thread as text, it will be easier to follow and suggest edits to.

How should I write it then?

 

[Lewisham2221]

That was the real incindent I shared with you guys. But as far as the ticket is concerned. I dont know really how to write it. She has written it. And obvio it was for reducing money. How should we write it then now? Does she need to write it in letter that I paid for her? Does that really matter who paid? Wont it be involving me then? Please help us how we write this all?

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Dear prosecution team,

On 29th October, 2024, I was travelling from Sevenoaks to Gillingham. My son was not feeling well and as the counter was busy I opted to take one way ticket from machine. In a hassle to reach home I quickly pressed the destination and I couldn't see I have pressed for the railcard as well. Upon asked in the train about the railcard I didn't have it. I am extremely sorry on what happened as part of my negligence.
I travel very less by the train and I had no idea how these railcards work. Upon equiry I got extremely terrified. When I came home I saw that the date and month of my birthday is fine but the year is wrong, I immediately called the customer service of trainline, they told me I had to wait for the letter to come. Now I am putting my correct year of birth and attaching a copy of my ID card and UK driving licence.
I am extremely sorry for this incident and I have learnt to be mindful and vigilant while travelling and double check the ticket before travelling. I am ready to cooperate in this matter and would request you to please consider settling this matter out of court. I am happily willing to pay the outstanding fare and the train Southeastern's administrative costs in dealing with the matter
I shall be grateful to you for this act of kindness

Kind regards

So now you're saying you selected a Railcard discount to save money? That's totally opposite to what you told us at the beginning, and also totally different to what "your friend" has included in the reply. You're really not convincing anybody that you're being honest. Nobody will be able to help you or "your friend" if you aren't honest.

 

[SU21]

Someone has suggested that we wont be talking about who purchased the ticket. Its just her taking the responsibility of purchasing the ticket as well. But I have no clue how to write it? Will they know at all that who purchased the ticket etc?

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So now you're saying you selected a Railcard discount to save money? That's totally opposite to what you told us at the beginning, and also totally different to what "your friend" has included in the reply. You're really not convincing anybody that you're being honest. Nobody will be able to help you or "your friend" if you aren't honest.

OMG dear. I posted the letter my friend has written. You are mixing things up. I dont know what is confusing you much honesty

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Keeping #34 35 in mind, we have written this letter. You know the whole scenerio, you tell me how we should write it?