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Wrexham train fire 08/2/23

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Id prefer to travel on a 197 to a 150 and ive not even been on a 197 yet !

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Surely its an improvement on a pair of 153s or a 150 ?
Sat on a pair of 153’s from Shrewsbury to Llandudno Junction and the seat alignment to the windows is far superior, you can at least open a window.
I don’t get the shop on a 2 carriage 197, what’s wrong with a trolley. A waste of space on a set with only 121 seats and 1 toilet.
 
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I regret not taking a screenshot, but TfW Journeycheck actually used the phrase 'thermal event' when reporting this incident. I'm looking out for the next 'earth fault'
I did!
 

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Sat on a pair of 153’s from Shrewsbury to Llandudno Junction and the seat alignment to the windows is far superior, you can at least open a window.
I don’t get the shop on a 2 carriage 197, what’s wrong with a trolley. A waste of space on a set with only 121 seats and 1 toilet.

There is no shop only a trolly. What you’re probably referring to is a cupboard for stock and hot water.

I can almost guarantee that most passengers will prefer a two car 197 to a two car 150 regardless of if they’re going one stop or 30 stops.
 

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Id prefer to travel on a 197 to a 150 and ive not even been on a 197 yet !

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Surely its an improvement on a pair of 153s or a 150 ?
It was a vast improvement over any existing stock, it will take time for people to come to like them though.
 

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There was a minor collision on the NY subway one afternoon (way back) - the PR department described as 2 trains , "gently kissed" (in service ?)
 

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It was a vast improvement over any existing stock, it will take time for people to come to like them though.
Would you say its an improvement on a 175 or just the Sprinters?

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There is no shop only a trolly. What you’re probably referring to is a cupboard for stock and hot water.

I can almost guarantee that most passengers will prefer a two car 197 to a two car 150 regardless of if they’re going one stop or 30 stops.
Yes. Even though ive not been on a 197 yet id be amazed if i preferred a 150 to a 197. Whether or not I prefer them to a 175 remains to be seen.
 

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Thanks for all comments guys. Not good for TfW as there's another valuable 175 gone!
They are due to be replaced. I think it looks worse than it is. Its believed to have been started by a Hydraulic Fault. Lick of paint, replace a few parts (actually maybe do that bit first), a few safety checks and send it back out on the main!

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Fire on 175008
Wow. That is unbelievable...Transport for Wales Rail actually running 4 coach trains!
 

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175011 was dragged out from warm storage at Holyhead on Saturday and sent to Chester for return to service.
 

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What's wrong with the non-fire damaged unit? Is that unable to return to service for some reason?
From what I've heard, the electrics are so knackered on 008 that they can't decouple 009. I don't know whether if they could decouple 009 then they could get it out of the siding as I expect its at the buffer end (presuming it's not a through siding)
 

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Am I correct in thinking there are now 7 x 175s out of service. There was 6 and now with 011 back in service and 008 and 009 out of service?
 

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Am I correct in thinking there are now 7 x 175s out of service. There was 6 and now with 011 back in service and 008 and 009 out of service?
If I remember correctly 101 was quoted as OOS but I saw it today so maybe that's back.
 

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If I remember correctly 101 was quoted as OOS but I saw it today so maybe that's back.
Hopefully its back. i had a quick look at RTT earlier and there seemed to be more 175s today than there have been recently on the Manchester's today, still a couple of 150 or 153 substitutions. But hopefully 175 availability has improved.
 

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Hopefully its back. i had a quick look at RTT earlier and there seemed to be more 175s today than there have been recently on the Manchester's today, still a couple of 150 or 153 substitutions. But hopefully 175 availability has improved.
If you use the number search feature on RTT it shows that 175101 has been working the
South - North Wales services today.
 

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From what I've heard, the electrics are so knackered on 008 that they can't decouple 009. I don't know whether if they could decouple 009 then they could get it out of the siding as I expect its at the buffer end (presuming it's not a through siding)
I would have thought there would be a means of decoupling manually?
 

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I would have thought there would be a means of decoupling manually?
I honestly don't know, that's just what I was told. Maybe the fitters will have to force them apart, or at least use 009 to drag 008 to Chester or Longsight first to get them uncoupled.
 

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I am aware of that, but TfW are short of stock as is so its not good that they've lost another unit for a good while.
Yep. I think they lost 1 or 2 150's after that collision near Craven Arms? Plus the maintenance depot at Mach is (I think) officially the worst in the country...although the Rail Replacement Bus between Shrewsbury and Mach is quite nice. A 1 1/2 hour wait at Shrew for extra buses after people pushed in front and filled up both buses is less fun.
 

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Id prefer to travel on a 197 to a 150 and ive not even been on a 197 yet !

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Surely its an improvement on a pair of 153s or a 150 ?
To be fair a rusty barrow with a buckled wheel would be an improvement on either of those.
 

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To be fair a rusty barrow with a buckled wheel would be an improvement on either of those.
Thats true. Ive read a lot of mixed reviews re the 197s but they should definitely be an improvement on all Sprinters.
 

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Does anyone know if 008 has moved from the siding in Wrexham? 009 is back in service so wondered if it had towed 008 to Chester.
 

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Does anyone know if 008 has moved from the siding in Wrexham? 009 is back in service so wondered if it had towed 008 to Chester.
Yes 008 was moved back in the early hours the other morning - not sure which day. 5mph all the way I believe with 008 sandwiched between 009 and another fleet mate. I believe they had staff in both middle cabs incase the unit separated as the uncouple button had previously been pressed but didn't work.

They can be manually uncoupled.
 

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It was a vast improvement over any existing stock, it will take time for people to come to like them though.
I have had a couple of short rides recently on Class 197, and find them quite good trains. However with only 42 seats (plus some tip-up seats), I think that there is a lot of wasted space in one of the coaches.
 
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