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Bohemian

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I was on a Class 323 from Birmingham New Street to Walsall with the hope of getting off at Witton. I noticed that a Class 221 was blocking my train (as they always seem to do heading south). I heard a muffled announcement over the cry of screaming children and a group of very excited Chinese twenty something’s. The next thing I hear after the train was departing in the opposite direction was that the first stop would be Hamstead via the Soho loop. This is a rather large detour missing out Duddeston, Aston, Witton and Perry Barr.

When the train finally reached Hamstead, I was just in time to see the Witton bound train leave as I got off. You spend 30 minutes in Hamstead and see how you like it! It took me 2 hours to get where I was heading from the City centre when normally it takes 30 minutes. Have any of you had a similar nightmare experience, or worse!?

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Someone tried to assault/rob me getting off a PRE-CYT service in July I think, that was quite bad, especially when five BTP cars with dogs turn up to investigate.
 

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Yep done something similar on the same line back in the Central Trains days, boreded the semi-fast to Rugeley TV on accident thinking i had caught the stopper to Walsall, planned to get off at Perry Barr and ended up in Walsall, didnt mind much however as i got to ride a 150 before returning to Perry Barr on a 323
 

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My worst experience was in the peak of the summer with then...

CONNEX SOUTH EASTERN.

Departing from London Charing Cross, slam door rolling stock.

Our ride should have been 2hrs or so, it took over 3hrs. I think 90 minutes longer.

For reasons such as fatality up ahead with a Eurostar (jumper)
Passenger action at Ashford International
Congestion

No air conditioning, it was hell back then. And I was about 11.
 

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Yep done something similar on the same line back in the Central Trains days, boreded the semi-fast to Rugeley TV on accident thinking i had caught the stopper to Walsall, planned to get off at Perry Barr and ended up in Walsall, didnt mind much however as i got to ride a 150 before returning to Perry Barr on a 323
Why didn't you get off at Tame Bridge Parkway
 

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So me and some mates are on a 455, clearing the Kingston Loop for track coverage, and some chavs think it's a fun idea to annoy us by playing rap music and trying to nick our phones...:roll:
 

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You spend 30 minutes in Hamstead and see how you like it!


Oi! Less of that!

On topic however, I have a couple.

1 - A journey from Stoke to Leicester to see a mate at uni. Original plan was Stoke - Derby, then Derby - Leicester, however a derailment at Derby meant it was going to have to be via Birmingham. Got as far as Stafford to be told that due to a points failure we would be going down to Nuneaton, then reversing and going that way into BHM. Should've taken about 90 minutes, ended up taking more than double that.

That is nothing compared to what can only described as a nightmare journey from Euston to Hamstead/New Street on the (very, very, very) slow LM train about 18 months back. Planned to get the service at around 1945, would get me back for about 2215. This got more and more delayed until was eventually cancelled, leaving me to get the train an hour later, which would just about get me to New Street in time for the last train home at 2318. Train eventually showed at about 2115, my journey already delayed by around 90 minutes.

We got going and didn't seem to lose much more time until we eventually got to Rugby, after about a 10 minute wait, the driver walked to the back of the train and had a word with the guard before returning to his cab grabbing his stuff and disappearing, I went to ask the guard what was going on and the driver had been told to go and shunt another train around the station as it was currently in the way of a freight train, who's driver was threatening to abandon ship for the night. The guard assured all the passengers that if they had connections taxis would be sorted for them. In total we spent around 30 minutes at Rugby, leaving there around the time I should've been on my train home from Birmingham.

As we got to Coventry (about an hour behind schedule) we were told the train would be cancelled there but another service was 5 or 10 minutes behind continuing to Birmingham, this was indeed the case and we arrived at New Street at around half past midnight - 2 and a bit hours after I was expecting to be there!

Went up to the customer services and they sorted my taxi out, I finally arrived home just after 1 am - Needless to say I had no issued with the compensation claim and I got £20 worth of vouchers, despite only paying £10 for the return.
 

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It would have to be sitting on a 156 at Linlithgow in the recent snow in the evening, for 40 minutes with the doors jammed open and draughty windows. I believe it was about -12 outside at the time.
Not sure the heating was working on it either.
 

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Spending around 90 minutes on "the hottest day since records began" on whichever 442 had the knackered air-con (Doreen, I think?) with no refreshments. I think I lost about half a stone :lol:
 

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Coming back on the last train from Reading to WOS in May 2008, our train, 166209 hit a tree that had fallen outside the mouth of Campden Tunnel. It didnt derail but stopped inside the tunnel with the front brakes locked on. We had to sit inside the tunnel for 3 hours while the driver and guard worked their socks off to try and get us out of the tunnel and back to Moreton-in-Marsh. They eventually managed to and I arrived back home about 0400 the next morning.
 

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November 2000, and everything on the railway network was running mega slow due squillions of speed restrictions imposed following the Hatfield derailment.
I'm on a northbound VXC service (class 86 + Mk2s) which comes to a stop at Hardendale (12 miles south of Penrith) due to signal failures ahead. Time was about 18:00. After about 30 - 40 mins we start moving but only signal to signal and there is another lengthy stop (I think at Clifton about 5 miles south of Penrith), where several southbound services pass very slowly. By now the heating wasn't working in at least 3 of the coaches. When we do start moving again (time about 20:00) we run wrong line as far as Penrith station (there's another lengthy stop before crossing back onto the down line). Finally depart Penrith station about 21:15.
 

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Got stuck on the Highland chieftan outside Edinburgh heading north.....we where almost 10 early but some stupid scumbags decided to throw some stuff off a bridge near waverley and we had to Emergency stop and sat there for 40 minutes because of damage to the front power car...Had to go off edinburgh the other way becasue of the power car damage and it added another 45 minutes on and ended up 1hr 35 down by Aviemore because of the single line paths we kept getting pegged down cos we missed the path.
 

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Travelling on the Sud Express from Irun to Lisbon on the early nineties.

Somebody decided to jump in front of our train, and what with Portugal's very lax track safety rules, everybody got off the train and walked to the front to see what had happened. Not a pretty sight.

The Japanese tourists even started taking photo's!! <(
 

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'Didn't we have a lovely day, the day we went to Torworth'..... No is the short answer.
Some time in around 1992/93 back in the days when your memory was like watching a cinefilm.
Grimsby to Kings Cross was the plan. I was always excited at the prospect of travelling on a decent line and getting out of backwater sprinter hell. Even the nightly HST was a major event if I was lucky enough to catch it going by. This was around the time that we started going via Doncaster more often than by Newark which seemed to have predominated during the 80s- even more exciting when you arrived in Donny to see all manner of passenger and freights. Now the railways hold little interest for me so this was really a special time.
When we arrived at Doncaster on this day of all days I spotted the 91 already sitting in platform one with the platform starter at green.

What sticks in my mind the most that day was the fact we ran across the platform to get our connection. Ran. We needn't have bothered. I remember that the train stayed in the platform for some minutes before departing despite having been given the road. Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

After clearing the large expanse of tracks to the south of Doncaster we got up to about linespeed when I noticed we where slowing down. I didn't know the line that well at the time but knew it was a bit futher to Retford.

Within a few minutes we had come to a stop. Nothing abrupt about it, I thought maybe a red signal. We waited. And waited. And waited. I can't remember now whether we where told the inevitable over the PA or whether the guard came through and told us. The air conditioning fans stopped. And life drew to a halt as I watched the wildlife at Torworth. The driver had managed to stop on the Up Fast leaving the loop clear for the many expresses which had to be routed around us. I don't remember seeing a single freight so I wonder now if they where all diverted via Gainsborough or Sheffield. The trains on the down fast where carrying on at Linespeed which was a tad unsettling. BR tried valiantly to get something attatched on front but I heard there was a problem with coupling. Rumours spread like wildfire. Nothing.

This being a sunny summers day and the MKIV having sealed windows the carriage started to get rather arid. Off I go to the buffet where I managed to get some water thankfully. Then came back. There really wasn't much to do. My spirits where raised when I saw a white van approaching through the fields and a chap get out. Then they dropped when I saw him drive off again.

Then came something I'll never forget. Right below my window two chaps with high vis vests, one of whom was wearing a shunters jacket having a heated exchange. Certainly the biggest bust up I've ever seen involving staff. Perhaps given the trying circumstances and the amount of time we had been there one could forgive them for losing their cool.

Shortly afterwards with the sun now going down there came a jolt and we where away! I could hear what seemed like the entire train cheering!
Whatever the two guys where arguing about was presumably what got us on our way.

I'd like to point out that at no point did I remember seeing any 'Airline' type exchanges with Irate passengers exploding at hapless staff for things that are not their fault. Threatening to sue. Saying they are a close friend of Stelios or Richard Branson or er.. Chris Green in this case. Maybe my mind has blocked this out. The mind has a knack of doing this.

This journey was also notable for being the first time I set foot in Retford station (something I would not repeat until 2007 - not sure why I mentioned that).

A 47 had hooked on and dragged us into the Southbound platform at around 11pm. I remember the panto on the 91 was raised and then dropped and then the whole ensemble dragged away after about half an hour.

After what seemed like another hour another 225 set trooped in and an entire trainload of weary passengers boarded- and it went like a bat out of hell. Whether any records where broken that night I cannot say - apart from one : my longest time sitting broken down!

We finally arrived in London well into the morning. Around 2am. We where supposed to have arrived at 5:30 pm if i recall correctly.

If anyone recalls this incident or maybe has a rail mag giving more information (I think it was reported as 'the saga of 1Axx') then please get in touch. I still to this day don't know what went wrong.
 

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If anyone recalls this incident or maybe has a rail mag giving more information (I think it was reported as 'the saga of 1Axx') then please get in touch. I still to this day don't know what went wrong.

Ah, THAT train failure! I have a strong suspicion that I still have the copy of RAIL with that article in a cupboard somewhere: I can’t remember the details of the article off the top of my head, and unfortunately getting to the magazine in question is a tad difficult at the moment, sorry! Might have to remember to dig it out in the future sometime.
 

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I'm not sure if this one belongs in the "best day bashing" or the "worst train trip post".

In March 1993, the 158s on the Cardiff-Liverpool services were replaced for a short while by class 37/4's and four mark twos. On the day I travelled (the Saturday nearest to 25/03/1993) I took the 37 from Shrewsbury to Ludlow for a day out there.An on-board train timer confirmed to me that that we got up to 86mph at one point on that part of the journey, and I thought nothing more of it. That said the gaggle of the class 37 bashers I met at Shrewsbury were talking about 100mph being got out of the class 37s on these workings particularly on the WCML parts of the journey - which I took with a pinch of salt...

On the way back which would have been something like the early afternoon Cardiff Central Liverpool Lime Street, the train was non-stop Ludlow to Shrewsbury.This was a fast run of around thirty miles, over some steep gradients and sharp curves.The line speed in those day would have been around 75-80mph.

I leant out of the window behind 37429 and as soon we got the right of way all hell broke loose. As the driver pulled away, he was clearly driving it like a 158.That is to say, release brake and ram the power handle wide open.(and hang onto the sanding button for dear life) Despite a dry rail there was ferocious wheelslip and the racket was unbelieveable.

Unfortunately I had not brought my stopwatch to confirm the speeds we got up to against the mileposts as we passed. We had an uneventful run to Craven Arms, where we were signal checked for a minute. I have had thousands of train trips in all forms of traction since the late 1970s and with one exception, I have always found train drivers to have a very high standard of professionalism in their driving.

The driver of 37429 was an old guy with white hair and clearly old enough to know better, but for the next twenty or so miles followed the most terrifying experience I have undergone on a train trip. With 1750hp and just four coaches and it being downhill all the way to Shrewsbury and a raving nutter at the controls, the inevitable followed.

At St Leonards Church in Ludlow there was small notice on the wall wishing visitors a safe journey home.As we tore through Church Stretton at what I guestimated was at least 90mph (we were going a heck of a lot faster than on the way to Ludlow), I was reminded again of this! The power handle was just left wide open and speed continued to build up.

South of Church Strettton around Condover there are sharp curves in the track, and I believe the line speed limit for loco-hauled stock then would have been around 70-75mph. At this point we were seriously motoring and it felt like we were more on a class 86-87 hauled WCML train than on a more modest provincial train.If you had told me we were "doing the ton" I would have had no difficulty in believing you.

I have been on mark one charter trains at around the ton before, when they fish tail around, but this journey was the only time I have been in a mark two which was pitching, bucking, rolling and yawing like a fairground ride.

We went round the right hand curve at Condover and there were some loud clunks and bangs from the bogies -how on earth we stayed on the track Heaven alone knows.

Thankfully we were soon slowing down for the outskirts of Shrewsbury, and for the only time I have ever bashed a class 37, boy was I glad to get off that train!

If there is anyone out there who was on that train whio can confirm these speeds, or remembers the time class 37s replaced 158s on the Welsh Marches Line in early 1993, I would be interested to hear more.

The contender for worst train journey, other than the four times I have had to endure Voyagers, would be the 1812 Skegness to Leicester one summer in 1993.The two class 20's 20066 and 20138 conked out on the Grantham Avoiding Line. The driver got out and asked me if I had spanner or screwdriver or more importantly knew how to get a knackered class 20 going!Thankfully he managed to get 20138 going relatively quickly and we staggered back to Nottingham at not much more than walking pace, arriving 90 minutes late.
 

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My submission would be any sunday evening service from Nottingham to Lincoln (always either a 156 or 158) they are grossly overcrowded one time i swear i saw a hippie looking fella laying in one of the overhead luggage racks.
Also the trains from Nottingham to Skegness in the high season where apart from maybe an HST or meridian on the very rare occasion its all 156's or 158's and the train staff seem to act like the porters at a Tokyo Subway station ( pushing people on so the doors can close)
 

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I'm not sure if this one belongs in the "best day bashing" or the "worst train trip post".

In March 1993, the 158s on the Cardiff-Liverpool services were replaced for a short while by class 37/4's and four mark twos. On the day I travelled (the Saturday nearest to 25/03/1993) I took the 37 from Shrewsbury to Ludlow for a day out there.An on-board train timer confirmed to me that that we got up to 86mph at one point on that part of the journey, and I thought nothing more of it. That said the gaggle of the class 37 bashers I met at Shrewsbury were talking about 100mph being got out of the class 37s on these workings particularly on the WCML parts of the journey - which I took with a pinch of salt...

On the way back which would have been something like the early afternoon Cardiff Central Liverpool Lime Street, the train was non-stop Ludlow to Shrewsbury.This was a fast run of around thirty miles, over some steep gradients and sharp curves.The line speed in those day would have been around 75-80mph.

I leant out of the window behind 37429 and as soon we got the right of way all hell broke loose. As the driver pulled away, he was clearly driving it like a 158.That is to say, release brake and ram the power handle wide open.(and hang onto the sanding button for dear life) Despite a dry rail there was ferocious wheelslip and the racket was unbelieveable.

Unfortunately I had not brought my stopwatch to confirm the speeds we got up to against the mileposts as we passed. We had an uneventful run to Craven Arms, where we were signal checked for a minute. I have had thousands of train trips in all forms of traction since the late 1970s and with one exception, I have always found train drivers to have a very high standard of professionalism in their driving.

The driver of 37429 was an old guy with white hair and clearly old enough to know better, but for the next twenty or so miles followed the most terrifying experience I have undergone on a train trip. With 1750hp and just four coaches and it being downhill all the way to Shrewsbury and a raving nutter at the controls, the inevitable followed.

At St Leonards Church in Ludlow there was small notice on the wall wishing visitors a safe journey home.As we tore through Church Stretton at what I guestimated was at least 90mph (we were going a heck of a lot faster than on the way to Ludlow), I was reminded again of this! The power handle was just left wide open and speed continued to build up.

South of Church Strettton around Condover there are sharp curves in the track, and I believe the line speed limit for loco-hauled stock then would have been around 70-75mph. At this point we were seriously motoring and it felt like we were more on a class 86-87 hauled WCML train than on a more modest provincial train.If you had told me we were "doing the ton" I would have had no difficulty in believing you.

I have been on mark one charter trains at around the ton before, when they fish tail around, but this journey was the only time I have been in a mark two which was pitching, bucking, rolling and yawing like a fairground ride.

We went round the right hand curve at Condover and there were some loud clunks and bangs from the bogies -how on earth we stayed on the track Heaven alone knows.

Thankfully we were soon slowing down for the outskirts of Shrewsbury, and for the only time I have ever bashed a class 37, boy was I glad to get off that train!

If there is anyone out there who was on that train whio can confirm these speeds, or remembers the time class 37s replaced 158s on the Welsh Marches Line in early 1993, I would be interested to hear more.


That sounds very exciting! Possibly less so if you were actually on it tho.... I recall that brief and excellent period of 37s on the North and West in 1993. I was going from Cardiff to Holyhead and was absolutely not expecting a syphon on the run to Crewe. Made my morning. Still mourned for the 33s though.

I had a similar experience in the scariness department, on the Portrush Flyer in 1984. It was being double headed by GNR(I) 4-4-0 no 171, and NCC 2-6-4T no 4. The stock was mostly wooden bodied, and much of the permanent way was old enough to have the letters M.R. (N.C.C.) cast into the chairs, i.e. pre-grouping. We were coming down Ballyboyland Bank near Ballymoney at about 70mph, with 171 leading tender first, when we hit one of the many irregularities in the track. 171 lurched over one way, no 4 the other, and the leading carriage (a gorgeous 12-wheel clerestory roofed tri-composite, in which was sitting in the guard's compartment looking out the front) did another thing again. Goodness knows how we stayed on, but I shudder to think what would have happened to those wooden coaches had we come off at that sort of speed.

Lessons appeared not to have been learned, as several hours later as the train was due to head back to Belfast, the NIR guard was so drunk he had to be carried back to the van to sleep it off on a piles of blankets. The train left anyway, effectively unguarded.
 

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Well, my worst journey of the year so far as to be Liverpool Lime Street to Liverpool South Parkway

On a London Midland Desiro?
On a First TransPennine Diesel Desiro
On the MerseyRail

No, on a Northern Rail 142 Pacer Bus and now, I see why we all hate them so much!

What the hell were they thinking in creating of pieces of ****e?
 

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Well, my worst journey of the year so far as to be Liverpool Lime Street to Liverpool South Parkway

On a London Midland Desiro?
On a First TransPennine Diesel Desiro
On the MerseyRail

No, on a Northern Rail 142 Pacer Bus and now, I see why we all hate them so much!

What the hell were they thinking in creating of pieces of ****e?

went from Doncaster to Lincoln via Sheffield one time on a 144 that was packed, and between Donny and Medowhall there was a bunch of hoodies trying to hide form the TI. The driver seemed to be trying to break some kind of land speed record for the fastest peice of s**t on a railway. The upshot of all this was that I arrived in Lincoln with a numb bum, and hardly able to walk off the platform to the taxi. Surely TOCs are trying to come up with other ways to move people around rather than torture by pacer.
 

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I was on a Class 323 from Birmingham New Street to Walsall with the hope of getting off at Witton. I noticed that a Class 221 was blocking my train (as they always seem to do heading south). I heard a muffled announcement over the cry of screaming children and a group of very excited Chinese twenty something’s. The next thing I hear after the train was departing in the opposite direction was that the first stop would be Hamstead via the Soho loop. This is a rather large detour missing out Duddeston, Aston, Witton and Perry Barr.

When the train finally reached Hamstead, I was just in time to see the Witton bound train leave as I got off. You spend 30 minutes in Hamstead and see how you like it! It took me 2 hours to get where I was heading from the City centre when normally it takes 30 minutes. Have any of you had a similar nightmare experience, or worse!?

:-?

Sounds horrible! I don't mind kids screaming but what gets me is when the parents don't care.
 

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went from Doncaster to Lincoln via Sheffield one time on a 144 that was packed, and between Donny and Medowhall there was a bunch of hoodies trying to hide form the TI. The driver seemed to be trying to break some kind of land speed record for the fastest peice of s**t on a railway. The upshot of all this was that I arrived in Lincoln with a numb bum, and hardly able to walk off the platform to the taxi. Surely TOCs are trying to come up with other ways to move people around rather than torture by pacer.


You may be interested to learn that the Yorkshire Pacer Veg Society had a do on Friday that consisted of a WY Day Rover and the only rule was 100% pacers, and any non-pacers that turned up had to be flagged. We went Leeds > Wakefield Kirkgate (shudder) > Knottingley > Leeds > Todmorden (via Bradford) > Dewsbury > Leeds > Keighley > Leeds. 100% pacers successfully achieved and a good time was had by all!
 

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100% pacers successfully achieved and a good time was had by all!

Sure was!

Bit ****ed off that they had to lump a 150 on the back of it but still didn't set foot on anything other than a 14x the whole day.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
What the hell were they thinking in creating of pieces of ****e?

Doing the best with the money they had at the time.
 

Pinza55007

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The Pacer Bashing Day sounds like a novel and entertaining day out.Were the Pacers really that cheap in the end -given the need to have class 31/37/47 loco-hauled substitutions when they were new, and all that money spent on them to put decent transmissions in them to get them to work properly?The overall externality costs, which I agree are difficult to to either prove or quantify must have been horrendous and in the light of this surely on a cost per unit basis some more 150s would not necessarily have proved any more expensive...Still Pacers can be fun to travel on as a leisure pursuit although I would not be too keen on commuting to work in the things!

Further to 4RSKT's Irish experiences, I was once behind Metrovick 005 which was (ahem) making progress when the door in the guard's van flew open.The guard tried to shut it, but suddenly had to let go as we missed the front of a DART by two inches on the swing round.If it had hit, the door would have gone flying! Heaven knows what might have happened to my head..

4RSKT, at the risk of going off-topic, I noticed your name refers to the engines in the various SR and Irish DEMUS (as well as 73s) It brings back many memories of the Uckfield-East Croydon/Victoria/London Bridge "Thumper" workings which I spent a lot of time on. Abiding memories? 85mph out of 205205 one summer lunchtime between East Croydon and Oxted, crammed 1720 London Bridge -Uckfield (which is very definately relevant to this topic) and tape recording the 207 named "Ashford Fayre" eventually starting up on the third attempt at Eastbourne at the start of my long journey home.
 

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One memorable winter day in the Peak hauled 1970s out of St Pancras. There'd been heavy snow which closed all lines and the staff were desperate to get a train out before the next fall came down. Someone had the bright idea of combining local services with midland mainline ones north, resulting in the longest train I'd ever seen, there was even some antiquated Mk1 corridor stock IIRC.

The novelty of actually being on the train soon paled as we rolled into and out of endless suburban stations as the guard herded passengers to ensure they didn't step out into thin air where a platform should be. I doubt we broke 20 mph all the way to Nottingham and the average must have been about 12 mph and we rolled in about 6 hrs after leaving London. However it was a memorably heroic attempt at providing a service which I suspect would have simply been cancelled now due to lack of suitable stock if not working practice.
 
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